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<blockquote data-quote="TJ Cornish" data-source="post: 31931" data-attributes="member: 162">Re: The way real pros do itMark, I don&#039;t know your (or the OP&#039;s) venues, and I wasn&#039;t the installer of them.&nbsp; Certainly there are many bad, even horriffic installs out there and I&#039;m not doubting your experience, or the OP&#039;s as unusably cruddy.&nbsp; I&#039;m also not calling into question your ability to improve those systems if you were given the &quot;keys&quot;.The problem here is there are an equal number of stories floating around installer circles about horrible clients that seem to be able to destroy even the most well designed system.&nbsp; Some of these folks also seem incredibly talented about coming up with such creative stipulations (speakers can&#039;t be visible, can&#039;t be larger than a Kleenex box, subs have to be in the Men&#039;s room in the lobby, mains have to be hung on the 80&#039; ceiling and not dropped any lower than that, my brother works for Behringer, etc.), that it&#039;s not hard for a $60,000 system to sound worse than a reasonable quality portable system with speakers in optimum locations pointing at the listeners, etc.I don&#039;t believe there is a perfect solution to this - neither extreme attempts to try to protect the system in all cases, or extreme BE demands of full control of a system they didn&#039;t put in and don&#039;t know how or why it is set the way it is, are reasonable.&nbsp; The best solution of somehow weeding out the unqualified operators, both on the house side and the BE side, seems difficult and/or economically not viable.&nbsp; Until then the battle goes on, and I - like you, continue to schlep a bunch of gear to get the job done, even with funny looks from the house manager wondering why he just spent $60K on sound that nobody uses.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TJ Cornish, post: 31931, member: 162"] Re: The way real pros do it Mark, I don't know your (or the OP's) venues, and I wasn't the installer of them. Certainly there are many bad, even horriffic installs out there and I'm not doubting your experience, or the OP's as unusably cruddy. I'm also not calling into question your ability to improve those systems if you were given the "keys". The problem here is there are an equal number of stories floating around installer circles about horrible clients that seem to be able to destroy even the most well designed system. Some of these folks also seem incredibly talented about coming up with such creative stipulations (speakers can't be visible, can't be larger than a Kleenex box, subs have to be in the Men's room in the lobby, mains have to be hung on the 80' ceiling and not dropped any lower than that, my brother works for Behringer, etc.), that it's not hard for a $60,000 system to sound worse than a reasonable quality portable system with speakers in optimum locations pointing at the listeners, etc. I don't believe there is a perfect solution to this - neither extreme attempts to try to protect the system in all cases, or extreme BE demands of full control of a system they didn't put in and don't know how or why it is set the way it is, are reasonable. The best solution of somehow weeding out the unqualified operators, both on the house side and the BE side, seems difficult and/or economically not viable. Until then the battle goes on, and I - like you, continue to schlep a bunch of gear to get the job done, even with funny looks from the house manager wondering why he just spent $60K on sound that nobody uses. [/QUOTE]

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