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<blockquote data-quote="Brad Weber" data-source="post: 116742" data-attributes="member: 114">Re: Theatre installBut the cost is still there and the Consultant is usually looking at the overall picture rather than just the AV Contractor&#039;s part of it.&nbsp; Most E.C.s have always told me that the majority of the cost of a conduit run is in the labor and relative to that cost the size of the conduit does not make that big difference while multiple conduit runs would also equate to multiple separate pulls, thus multiple smaller conduit runs at least appears a likely more expensive solution.I&#039;ve been using the concept of gathering multiple runs from around a stage to a junction box with a single large conduit then run to the termination point(s) for almost 30 years and never had a complaint or comment from the E.C. or AV Contractor even when I was working with or for them.&nbsp; And no inline splices anywhere in a run, although in some cases there have been terminal blocks for specific purposes or transformers for mic splits in the intermediate junction box.&nbsp; I will say that for a 375&#039; run of a conduit carrying 96 lines I would have had some intermediate pull boxes, my &#039;standard&#039; calls for intermediate pull boxes to be provided for any run over 50&#039; in length or where there is a total of more than 180 degrees of bends and turns.I recall a similar, but smaller, situation to this where they neglected to label the cables before pulling them and as a result they they had to ring out every line afterwards to identify which cable was which.&nbsp; An example of a less effective installation approach, but it shows how the effort required for pulling cable can be affected by the organization and planning invested.&nbsp; I&#039;ve been involved in several projects where there were multiple AV Contractors handling different parts of the work and you might see one pull two or three times the cable of another in a day due purely to how organized and prepared they were when they came on site and how they approached the work.Shane, I wish more of my projects had work like yours!&nbsp; The quality of field work is sometimes quite disappointing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brad Weber, post: 116742, member: 114"] Re: Theatre install But the cost is still there and the Consultant is usually looking at the overall picture rather than just the AV Contractor's part of it. Most E.C.s have always told me that the majority of the cost of a conduit run is in the labor and relative to that cost the size of the conduit does not make that big difference while multiple conduit runs would also equate to multiple separate pulls, thus multiple smaller conduit runs at least appears a likely more expensive solution. I've been using the concept of gathering multiple runs from around a stage to a junction box with a single large conduit then run to the termination point(s) for almost 30 years and never had a complaint or comment from the E.C. or AV Contractor even when I was working with or for them. And no inline splices anywhere in a run, although in some cases there have been terminal blocks for specific purposes or transformers for mic splits in the intermediate junction box. I will say that for a 375' run of a conduit carrying 96 lines I would have had some intermediate pull boxes, my 'standard' calls for intermediate pull boxes to be provided for any run over 50' in length or where there is a total of more than 180 degrees of bends and turns. I recall a similar, but smaller, situation to this where they neglected to label the cables before pulling them and as a result they they had to ring out every line afterwards to identify which cable was which. An example of a less effective installation approach, but it shows how the effort required for pulling cable can be affected by the organization and planning invested. I've been involved in several projects where there were multiple AV Contractors handling different parts of the work and you might see one pull two or three times the cable of another in a day due purely to how organized and prepared they were when they came on site and how they approached the work. Shane, I wish more of my projects had work like yours! The quality of field work is sometimes quite disappointing. [/QUOTE]

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