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<blockquote data-quote="Rasmus Rosenberg" data-source="post: 33190" data-attributes="member: 886"><p>Re: Sign up for measurement class updates</p><p></p><p>Hey Phil, and all, </p><p>First off what a great forum! Good to see so many "know on the internet" faces <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Hats off for wanting to make such a extensive seminar, it should be more than well come in our industry. I hope you will able to find a date soon, cause i will defenitly try to make it across the pond, to be in a room with speakers you, Brennet et all, and a measurement system. If there are anything i can help you guys with I would be more than happy to assist. </p><p>A few years back when smaart v5 was cracked and ended up on all sound techs computer, and about the same time the economy to a dump, we saw a unbelivable rise in pourly deployed systems in my country. run by inexperinced "cheap" techs, who die hard defended there "not so lucky" end results with bad measurements. So I was contacted by a few of the top touring techs here, if it was possible for them to learn more about measurement, so they had better defence against this new wave of people making there job harder. And also if there was any way possible, to try for the different system tech's to talk together and share experience cross rental houses. So a quite, long but fun journey began, first and foremost to get people to talk together and then to get training and share it as good as possible. So what we did was to spilt our effort so, some went to Smaart class, Sim, systune class, Meyer class, D&b class, L'arcoustics tranning etc and we then meet up and tried to share as much of the knowledge. While also pushing our self and as many others to take all the official training as possible. In that research about what people wanted to learn here is a few of the workshops we came up with and that we try to do a couple a year. Freely translated to english :</p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">1. Fun fundamentals: </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Very basic, measurement teori and pratical measurement. A brief introduction to Smaart and the various other measurement platforms. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">For those that haven't measured speakers before and want to short introduction to what its all about. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">2. Sub alignment. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">We start with the basic L+R sub and then build from there. Testing different cardiod pattens and look at basic sub coverage prediction. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">3. I get it, but never get to practice.. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Bring your own measurement set up and practice. Get tip and tricks to optimize you set up and work flow. Try things on your own computer and body. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">4. Delay og Fills. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">The main system is good and dandy, but what about the rest. Looking at basic front fill systems. Looking at delay systems and balkony systems. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">5. Linearrays ABC tuning metod. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Try Bob McCarthy' s metode of optimizing line source's in pratice <a href="http://bobmccarthy.wordpress.com/the-abcs-of-line-array-tuning/" target="_blank">http://bobmccarthy.wordpress.com/the-abcs-of-line-array-tuning/</a></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"><span style="color: #0000EE"><u><span style="color: #000000"></span></u></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"><span style="color: #0000EE"><u><span style="color: #000000"></span></u><span style="color: #000000">6. Show me your toolbox. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"><span style="color: #0000EE"><span style="color: #000000"></span></span>The cost and amount of all the cool little gadgets and tools a system tech "should" bring to a gig is quite daunting, what is considered most brings and what are the best bang of the buck.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Oh well back to you guys. What the people, that i speak with that takes official smaart and other training, lacks, basically fall in to three catogories that you already got : 1 they fell competent, but lack to practice on there own, off show. 2: they miss a basic structured way of aproching using the measurement platform in the pratical world, this fall in the line of what Ivan talked about with Pat in the above. 3: they lack the symbiose between using LAC's and what they measure. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">They best feedback I have gotten has been on Bob's class because he really points the way to get you started, other training are by nature very broard; it depends, it depends, it depends: yes true! but people actually do things and make it work, what? and why? </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">I love the idea about rotating between stations. In the last Smaart class I felt that if you have a system, not more that 5 people can operate its at a time 2 in the field with the mic and 1 at the Dsp/mixer, 2 at the measurement system, then rotate in turns so every one gets to do all. In the mean while the rest of the class could do other measurements. I would really like to se a station on how to verify you measurement setup, because that's the most common mistake i see at gigs.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">oh well its getting late in Euroland hope you get to cook up an amazing seminar.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">nite,</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rasmus Rosenberg, post: 33190, member: 886"] Re: Sign up for measurement class updates Hey Phil, and all, First off what a great forum! Good to see so many "know on the internet" faces :) Hats off for wanting to make such a extensive seminar, it should be more than well come in our industry. I hope you will able to find a date soon, cause i will defenitly try to make it across the pond, to be in a room with speakers you, Brennet et all, and a measurement system. If there are anything i can help you guys with I would be more than happy to assist. A few years back when smaart v5 was cracked and ended up on all sound techs computer, and about the same time the economy to a dump, we saw a unbelivable rise in pourly deployed systems in my country. run by inexperinced "cheap" techs, who die hard defended there "not so lucky" end results with bad measurements. So I was contacted by a few of the top touring techs here, if it was possible for them to learn more about measurement, so they had better defence against this new wave of people making there job harder. And also if there was any way possible, to try for the different system tech's to talk together and share experience cross rental houses. So a quite, long but fun journey began, first and foremost to get people to talk together and then to get training and share it as good as possible. So what we did was to spilt our effort so, some went to Smaart class, Sim, systune class, Meyer class, D&b class, L'arcoustics tranning etc and we then meet up and tried to share as much of the knowledge. While also pushing our self and as many others to take all the official training as possible. In that research about what people wanted to learn here is a few of the workshops we came up with and that we try to do a couple a year. Freely translated to english : [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica] 1. Fun fundamentals: [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]Very basic, measurement teori and pratical measurement. A brief introduction to Smaart and the various other measurement platforms. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]For those that haven't measured speakers before and want to short introduction to what its all about. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]2. Sub alignment. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]We start with the basic L+R sub and then build from there. Testing different cardiod pattens and look at basic sub coverage prediction. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]3. I get it, but never get to practice.. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]Bring your own measurement set up and practice. Get tip and tricks to optimize you set up and work flow. Try things on your own computer and body. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]4. Delay og Fills. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]The main system is good and dandy, but what about the rest. Looking at basic front fill systems. Looking at delay systems and balkony systems. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]5. Linearrays ABC tuning metod. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Helvetica]Try Bob McCarthy' s metode of optimizing line source's in pratice [URL]http://bobmccarthy.wordpress.com/the-abcs-of-line-array-tuning/[/URL] [COLOR=#0000EE][U][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][/U][COLOR=#000000]6. Show me your toolbox. [/COLOR][/COLOR]The cost and amount of all the cool little gadgets and tools a system tech "should" bring to a gig is quite daunting, what is considered most brings and what are the best bang of the buck. Oh well back to you guys. What the people, that i speak with that takes official smaart and other training, lacks, basically fall in to three catogories that you already got : 1 they fell competent, but lack to practice on there own, off show. 2: they miss a basic structured way of aproching using the measurement platform in the pratical world, this fall in the line of what Ivan talked about with Pat in the above. 3: they lack the symbiose between using LAC's and what they measure. They best feedback I have gotten has been on Bob's class because he really points the way to get you started, other training are by nature very broard; it depends, it depends, it depends: yes true! but people actually do things and make it work, what? and why? I love the idea about rotating between stations. In the last Smaart class I felt that if you have a system, not more that 5 people can operate its at a time 2 in the field with the mic and 1 at the Dsp/mixer, 2 at the measurement system, then rotate in turns so every one gets to do all. In the mean while the rest of the class could do other measurements. I would really like to se a station on how to verify you measurement setup, because that's the most common mistake i see at gigs. oh well its getting late in Euroland hope you get to cook up an amazing seminar. nite,[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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