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<blockquote data-quote="drew gandy" data-source="post: 33324" data-attributes="member: 880">Re: Cluster and downfill levelsI&#039;m sorry Phil, my post was obtuse. I meant to challenge your example by way of undermining the value of the agreement you received with the house engineer. I meant to imply (and I now see that unfortunately after editing my post there were likely too few words to convey this) that the power of suggestion played a part in his agreement. The monitor guy trick is: when a talent asks for a change (almost invariably &quot;more me&quot;) the monitor guy merely acts like he&#039;s turning a knob and then gives the thumbs up signal. The talent then offers a heartfelt thank you and everyone moves on happy.&nbsp; I think that 0.2 db of adjustment is well within the power of suggestion range and that, at least for me, left your anecdote with dull teeth. Another way you could interpret this is that I&#039;m jealous of your (and the house guys) ears.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> That said, I completely agree that a 0.2db adjustment is much too granular for a typical sound guy measurement system to be helpful. I also think the 0.2db could be more noticeable in a studio environment than in a large venue.&nbsp; If you move a couple feet, in a venue, you&#039;re likely to hear changes of a few full decibels which is part of what makes me wonder about the audibility of a 0.2db change. I suppose, since I wasn&#039;t there, I&#039;ll have to take your word for it. Again, sorry to everyone for the OT.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drew gandy, post: 33324, member: 880"] Re: Cluster and downfill levels I'm sorry Phil, my post was obtuse. I meant to challenge your example by way of undermining the value of the agreement you received with the house engineer. I meant to imply (and I now see that unfortunately after editing my post there were likely too few words to convey this) that the power of suggestion played a part in his agreement. The monitor guy trick is: when a talent asks for a change (almost invariably "more me") the monitor guy merely acts like he's turning a knob and then gives the thumbs up signal. The talent then offers a heartfelt thank you and everyone moves on happy. I think that 0.2 db of adjustment is well within the power of suggestion range and that, at least for me, left your anecdote with dull teeth. Another way you could interpret this is that I'm jealous of your (and the house guys) ears.;) That said, I completely agree that a 0.2db adjustment is much too granular for a typical sound guy measurement system to be helpful. I also think the 0.2db could be more noticeable in a studio environment than in a large venue. If you move a couple feet, in a venue, you're likely to hear changes of a few full decibels which is part of what makes me wonder about the audibility of a 0.2db change. I suppose, since I wasn't there, I'll have to take your word for it. Again, sorry to everyone for the OT. [/QUOTE]

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