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<blockquote data-quote="Ivan Beaver" data-source="post: 33352" data-attributes="member: 30">Re: Cluster and downfill levelsI jsut want to add my 0.02 to the &quot;situation&quot;.In the final phases of alignment, I often find myself making very small changes to level.HOWEVER-what i have noted quite a few times is that when I change program material, sometimes those levels go the other way.It is really hard to put a finger on, but which one is &quot;right&quot;.&nbsp; You could argue that the ear is the final judge (and I agree), but when different source material &quot;makes the ear&quot; choose different things-it gets a bit harder to determine the best setting.In a large system it is all about compromise-and how that compromise is made-is sometimes hard to define.And I will throw this into the whole equation.&nbsp; Let&#039;s say I do an alignment on a system.Then I walk away and forget what I did and the DSP is wiped clean.I do another alignment.&nbsp; Will it be exactly the same-especially down to 0.2dB?&nbsp; I bet not.&nbsp; I bet the levels will be different, the delay times will be different, the q of the filters will be different, the depth and freq of the filters will be different and so forth.Will they be close-I certainly hope so-but they will probably not be exact.&nbsp; So which one is &quot;right&quot;.Do the same thing for mixing a band (OK lets say multitracks so the source does not change).&nbsp; Do a mix- walk away and reset the console.&nbsp; Now come back and do another mix.&nbsp; Will it be the same-no.&nbsp; Hopefully close- but not exactly the same.&nbsp; Did I need a dip at 259Hz or 264Hz?&nbsp; -4 or -4.5dB?&nbsp; So which one is &quot;right&quot;.It about about being &quot;right&quot; at that particular time.&nbsp; OR move to a different listening position and tell me what you would change?&nbsp; Which seat is &quot;right&quot;?If there were a straightforward answer-then it would be lot easier to do all of &quot;this&quot;-but there is a good bit of &quot;wiggle room&quot; in some circumstances.&nbsp; Your opinon vs mine.Of course there is the old saying &quot;You people that think you know everything-really do annoy those of us that do&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ivan Beaver, post: 33352, member: 30"] Re: Cluster and downfill levels I jsut want to add my 0.02 to the "situation". In the final phases of alignment, I often find myself making very small changes to level. HOWEVER-what i have noted quite a few times is that when I change program material, sometimes those levels go the other way. It is really hard to put a finger on, but which one is "right". You could argue that the ear is the final judge (and I agree), but when different source material "makes the ear" choose different things-it gets a bit harder to determine the best setting. In a large system it is all about compromise-and how that compromise is made-is sometimes hard to define. And I will throw this into the whole equation. Let's say I do an alignment on a system. Then I walk away and forget what I did and the DSP is wiped clean. I do another alignment. Will it be exactly the same-especially down to 0.2dB? I bet not. I bet the levels will be different, the delay times will be different, the q of the filters will be different, the depth and freq of the filters will be different and so forth. Will they be close-I certainly hope so-but they will probably not be exact. So which one is "right". Do the same thing for mixing a band (OK lets say multitracks so the source does not change). Do a mix- walk away and reset the console. Now come back and do another mix. Will it be the same-no. Hopefully close- but not exactly the same. Did I need a dip at 259Hz or 264Hz? -4 or -4.5dB? So which one is "right". It about about being "right" at that particular time. OR move to a different listening position and tell me what you would change? Which seat is "right"? If there were a straightforward answer-then it would be lot easier to do all of "this"-but there is a good bit of "wiggle room" in some circumstances. Your opinon vs mine. Of course there is the old saying "You people that think you know everything-really do annoy those of us that do". [/QUOTE]

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