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Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A
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<blockquote data-quote="Howard Tomlinson" data-source="post: 115228" data-attributes="member: 6460"><p>Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>this isn't a picture i recognise...and I can't work out whether this is deliberately disingenuous or has been sent from somewhere in the mid 20th century. </p><p>firstly, the repair of pc's yourself isn't a fair comparison - the x32 is a retail unit used by all and sundry - never designed to be opened by end users. </p><p></p><p>my next door neighbour would never open up his pc - he would order it on line and return it to base if it didn't work or buy it at the electronics superstore and return it there for repair - often taking a month. never less than a week and all travel at his cost </p><p></p><p>NO garage gives a loan car/courtesy car to drive without it being reflected in the bill - if you buy a new car and service is included then so is the cost of overheads to cover that - YOU DO NOT GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. whether you see the cost on the bill or it's in the overhead, make no mistake the cost is there. when you bought the x32 you knew what you were getting, you knew loaners didn't come with the price - so why would you bring it up now? </p><p></p><p>local electronics stores loaning a replacement - queer, quaint and if you are getting that service terrific but it hasn't existed anywhere i am aware of since the 1970's. </p><p></p><p>when you went to the place you bought your x32 from they gave you a price and behringer published their warranty for those units. what about the other mixing consoles sold by that same distributor? are they offering loaners for other £2k mixing consoles? certainly i haven't seen that in any european distributor unless you step up to the pro level touring desks (midas etc) - just because this console will do most things a £12k console does, it doesn't mean you get that pro dealer support with it. why on earth would you expect that for the price?</p><p></p><p>If you are keen on the idea of starting a business adding value by offering a collect and loan service, i think some may be interested (though i suspect that's where the M32 may be heading with midas dealers offering extra support packages). for the sake of argument lets say to turn a profit doing that you would need to add 10%. that's £220 - over double the weekly hire rate. i suspect fellow posters would be split down the middle as to whether they would pay £2,420 instead of £2,200. and this is a pro-am forum - step down to the home users, small bands and the others that make up the 100,000 plus purchasers and i doubt they would want to pay the extra. and that's the point - it's the biggest selling console in history in part because of its feature set but it's really because of that feature set at the cost. </p><p></p><p>now locally i can rent for a week at less than £100, so buying a new console at this price i would take my chances and if i were recommending to a theatre or a tour i would recommend the M32 or take two x32's on tour. but i underline again you do not get something for nothing - it's all in the price - why would we be expecting anything different. frankly i'm baffled.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Howard Tomlinson, post: 115228, member: 6460"] Re: Uli Behringer of The Music Group Q&A this isn't a picture i recognise...and I can't work out whether this is deliberately disingenuous or has been sent from somewhere in the mid 20th century. firstly, the repair of pc's yourself isn't a fair comparison - the x32 is a retail unit used by all and sundry - never designed to be opened by end users. my next door neighbour would never open up his pc - he would order it on line and return it to base if it didn't work or buy it at the electronics superstore and return it there for repair - often taking a month. never less than a week and all travel at his cost NO garage gives a loan car/courtesy car to drive without it being reflected in the bill - if you buy a new car and service is included then so is the cost of overheads to cover that - YOU DO NOT GET SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. whether you see the cost on the bill or it's in the overhead, make no mistake the cost is there. when you bought the x32 you knew what you were getting, you knew loaners didn't come with the price - so why would you bring it up now? local electronics stores loaning a replacement - queer, quaint and if you are getting that service terrific but it hasn't existed anywhere i am aware of since the 1970's. when you went to the place you bought your x32 from they gave you a price and behringer published their warranty for those units. what about the other mixing consoles sold by that same distributor? are they offering loaners for other £2k mixing consoles? certainly i haven't seen that in any european distributor unless you step up to the pro level touring desks (midas etc) - just because this console will do most things a £12k console does, it doesn't mean you get that pro dealer support with it. why on earth would you expect that for the price? If you are keen on the idea of starting a business adding value by offering a collect and loan service, i think some may be interested (though i suspect that's where the M32 may be heading with midas dealers offering extra support packages). for the sake of argument lets say to turn a profit doing that you would need to add 10%. that's £220 - over double the weekly hire rate. i suspect fellow posters would be split down the middle as to whether they would pay £2,420 instead of £2,200. and this is a pro-am forum - step down to the home users, small bands and the others that make up the 100,000 plus purchasers and i doubt they would want to pay the extra. and that's the point - it's the biggest selling console in history in part because of its feature set but it's really because of that feature set at the cost. now locally i can rent for a week at less than £100, so buying a new console at this price i would take my chances and if i were recommending to a theatre or a tour i would recommend the M32 or take two x32's on tour. but i underline again you do not get something for nothing - it's all in the price - why would we be expecting anything different. frankly i'm baffled. [/QUOTE]
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