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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 32469" data-attributes="member: 126"><p>Re: Unbelievable!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Whoa there... I made the qualification that I didn't want to tarnish all teachers with this report, I just found the irony of teachers cheating too much to pass up. </p><p></p><p>I believe we've had this discussion before about measuring the actual results of the teachers work effort (like every other job). The students don't get graded on a curve after they graduate(?), or more appropriately are released into real life and start looking for a job... The employer doesn't say, it's OK that you don't know poop, because you grew up in XYZville. Here, I'll pay you a full wage even though you can't do the work. </p><p></p><p>The students need to be measured on a standardized test, and let the chips fall where they may... I'd rather find out little Johnny is a dumbass in the 5th grade, then after he is in his 20's, still living at home with his parents, and unemployable. </p><p></p><p>I have more criticism for the education administrata and bureaucracy that is more about selfish self interest, than what's good for the kids. We are spending more and getting less. If standardized testing is the catalyst for change so be it. <strong>In what world is cheating ever justified? </strong> Teachers are just human, but in that occupation they are surrogate day time parents and role models for good moral behavior, these few failed miserably. </p><p></p><p>In my lifetime I have seen public education deteriorate from actually having to learn stuff to graduate, to just show up and stay out of trouble to get by. You can criticize "no child left behind" for being a blunt instrument, and crudely executed, but the concept IMO is sound. If we are going through the motions, and teachers accept pay to teach the children, they need to actually be learning something useful. </p><p></p><p>JR</p><p></p><p>PS: Nothing personal and I suspect your wife is not the only good teacher out there, but there are more than few bad apples in the barrel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 32469, member: 126"] Re: Unbelievable! Whoa there... I made the qualification that I didn't want to tarnish all teachers with this report, I just found the irony of teachers cheating too much to pass up. I believe we've had this discussion before about measuring the actual results of the teachers work effort (like every other job). The students don't get graded on a curve after they graduate(?), or more appropriately are released into real life and start looking for a job... The employer doesn't say, it's OK that you don't know poop, because you grew up in XYZville. Here, I'll pay you a full wage even though you can't do the work. The students need to be measured on a standardized test, and let the chips fall where they may... I'd rather find out little Johnny is a dumbass in the 5th grade, then after he is in his 20's, still living at home with his parents, and unemployable. I have more criticism for the education administrata and bureaucracy that is more about selfish self interest, than what's good for the kids. We are spending more and getting less. If standardized testing is the catalyst for change so be it. [b]In what world is cheating ever justified? [/b] Teachers are just human, but in that occupation they are surrogate day time parents and role models for good moral behavior, these few failed miserably. In my lifetime I have seen public education deteriorate from actually having to learn stuff to graduate, to just show up and stay out of trouble to get by. You can criticize "no child left behind" for being a blunt instrument, and crudely executed, but the concept IMO is sound. If we are going through the motions, and teachers accept pay to teach the children, they need to actually be learning something useful. JR PS: Nothing personal and I suspect your wife is not the only good teacher out there, but there are more than few bad apples in the barrel. [/QUOTE]
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