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<blockquote data-quote="John Roberts" data-source="post: 32479" data-attributes="member: 126"><p>Re: Unbelievable!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed, government policies should not encourage cheating, while they routinely encourage fraud by lax administration of everything they touch. People cheat when they believe they won't get caught. </p><p></p><p>Standardized testing is only problematic for teachers, if their students are performing below standard on these tests. Since the actual tests are authored by the states, that means the student performance must be below standard for the state they are in. </p><p></p><p>This program is a decade old, so by now they must have some trends to help evaluate the teacher performance vs. the raw material he/she has to work with. No matter how flawed the test, surely it will help separate some wheat from some chaff, and identify problem areas. </p><p></p><p>This is the work that teachers and administrators are supposed to accomplish. </p><p></p><p>No, it is, or should be, a measure of how the individual students are progressing in acquiring the life skills they will need to prosper in the current century. Is little Johnny performing above, below, or at his grade level. First you identify the problem(s), then figure out how to correct those specific failures to perform within the system. This is not just to single out bad teachers, it may identify bad teaching plans, bad administration (is that like management?), bad parenting. Whatever, we need better results, and first you must quantify it. </p><p></p><p>Actually it is very non government like.. it is business like.. to measure results and then adjust based on those measurements. The government isn't telling them how to teach, it's just saying there needs to be measured results incorporated into the process. it's the teacher's job is to figure out how to teach... I think they can even take classes to learn how to do that. </p><p></p><p>It's already delegated to the states to make the actual tests... We already know what would happen if we let the teachers make the tests, as those 80 tried to do on the down low.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I was responding to your comments, and others. Please excuse my desire to reduce the clutter from multiple posts. This isn't a dialog. </p><p></p><p>My sense is that this is not political posturing, but prudent application of very basic business practices... You can't manage results without first measuring results. The politics appear to be coming from teachers unions trying to maintain their status quo. I have nothing against teachers unions if they use some of that collective power for the kids, but so far it seems to be mainly about avoiding too much inspection of their own job performance. These test results clearly need to be evaluated at the local and state level and adjustments made based on the results. Some teachers may deserve a raise. This doesn't have to be all stick, there can be carrot too. </p><p></p><p>A group hug in the teacher's lounge won't get er dun... </p><p></p><p><img src="http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ5NDI4MDM0Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDYwODU2NA@@._V1._SY317_.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p></p><p>JR</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Roberts, post: 32479, member: 126"] Re: Unbelievable! Agreed, government policies should not encourage cheating, while they routinely encourage fraud by lax administration of everything they touch. People cheat when they believe they won't get caught. Standardized testing is only problematic for teachers, if their students are performing below standard on these tests. Since the actual tests are authored by the states, that means the student performance must be below standard for the state they are in. This program is a decade old, so by now they must have some trends to help evaluate the teacher performance vs. the raw material he/she has to work with. No matter how flawed the test, surely it will help separate some wheat from some chaff, and identify problem areas. This is the work that teachers and administrators are supposed to accomplish. No, it is, or should be, a measure of how the individual students are progressing in acquiring the life skills they will need to prosper in the current century. Is little Johnny performing above, below, or at his grade level. First you identify the problem(s), then figure out how to correct those specific failures to perform within the system. This is not just to single out bad teachers, it may identify bad teaching plans, bad administration (is that like management?), bad parenting. Whatever, we need better results, and first you must quantify it. Actually it is very non government like.. it is business like.. to measure results and then adjust based on those measurements. The government isn't telling them how to teach, it's just saying there needs to be measured results incorporated into the process. it's the teacher's job is to figure out how to teach... I think they can even take classes to learn how to do that. It's already delegated to the states to make the actual tests... We already know what would happen if we let the teachers make the tests, as those 80 tried to do on the down low. I was responding to your comments, and others. Please excuse my desire to reduce the clutter from multiple posts. This isn't a dialog. My sense is that this is not political posturing, but prudent application of very basic business practices... You can't manage results without first measuring results. The politics appear to be coming from teachers unions trying to maintain their status quo. I have nothing against teachers unions if they use some of that collective power for the kids, but so far it seems to be mainly about avoiding too much inspection of their own job performance. These test results clearly need to be evaluated at the local and state level and adjustments made based on the results. Some teachers may deserve a raise. This doesn't have to be all stick, there can be carrot too. A group hug in the teacher's lounge won't get er dun... [img]http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ5NDI4MDM0Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDYwODU2NA@@._V1._SY317_.jpg[/img] JR [/QUOTE]
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