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Upgrading our PA System - 12s or 15s, and are subs necessary?
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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Bolt" data-source="post: 137244" data-attributes="member: 3950"><p>Re: Upgrading our PA System - 12s or 15s, and are subs necessary?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Running your bass through the PA allows someone to use the mixer to actually ..... well, mix. If the bass is going out only through the bass player's speakers, you can't mix him with the mixer. Furthermore, having the volume of a bass cab on stage puts LOTS of bass bleed into any microphones on stage (vocal mic's, drum mic's, etc). There are things you can do to help with this, but it fundamentally makes your stage louder.</p><p></p><p>My personal opinion is that no bass player needs an 18" speaker. They just make mudd. In fact, I much prefer a good bass DI to any bass cab for gigging.</p><p></p><p>While I have managed to put bass through a 12" top (DSR112's) and get pretty good results (but peaking the limiters all night), the kick really needs subs.</p><p></p><p>Putting everything into the PA isn't about making things louder, it is about making everything sound better and getting your band to sound better overall. In fact, turning down all the amps on stage, and letting the PA do the work for the FOH sound is a much better way to make your band sound great than just running amps on stage and using the PA for vocals only..... for lots of reasons.</p><p></p><p>Having said all that, I have done some good sounding gigs by micing the kick and vocals only with the guitars and bass amp providing their own volume from stage. This works best if you have band members that listen to you when you tell them that they are too loud (I have rarely had to tell a band member to be louder <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> ).</p><p></p><p>Micing the kick is absolutely necessary in my book, and the kick needs subs .... and real men have subs <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Bolt, post: 137244, member: 3950"] Re: Upgrading our PA System - 12s or 15s, and are subs necessary? Running your bass through the PA allows someone to use the mixer to actually ..... well, mix. If the bass is going out only through the bass player's speakers, you can't mix him with the mixer. Furthermore, having the volume of a bass cab on stage puts LOTS of bass bleed into any microphones on stage (vocal mic's, drum mic's, etc). There are things you can do to help with this, but it fundamentally makes your stage louder. My personal opinion is that no bass player needs an 18" speaker. They just make mudd. In fact, I much prefer a good bass DI to any bass cab for gigging. While I have managed to put bass through a 12" top (DSR112's) and get pretty good results (but peaking the limiters all night), the kick really needs subs. Putting everything into the PA isn't about making things louder, it is about making everything sound better and getting your band to sound better overall. In fact, turning down all the amps on stage, and letting the PA do the work for the FOH sound is a much better way to make your band sound great than just running amps on stage and using the PA for vocals only..... for lots of reasons. Having said all that, I have done some good sounding gigs by micing the kick and vocals only with the guitars and bass amp providing their own volume from stage. This works best if you have band members that listen to you when you tell them that they are too loud (I have rarely had to tell a band member to be louder ;) ). Micing the kick is absolutely necessary in my book, and the kick needs subs .... and real men have subs :) [/QUOTE]
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