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Upgrading our PA System - 12s or 15s, and are subs necessary?
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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Bolt" data-source="post: 137300" data-attributes="member: 3950"><p>Re: Upgrading our PA System - 12s or 15s, and are subs necessary?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I went through this exersize a few years ago and did the following:</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Brought high quality recordings of 2 different kinds of music. The first was high impact rock with good kick and bass definition in it, the second was airy vocals (Nora Jones <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> ).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I brought my microphone (ND767a) and my guitar (Taylor).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">For the music, I put the music into 2 channels of a mixer at the store.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I put the first set of tops on line, then adjusted the channel EQ to the best sound I could get.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I then put the second set of tops on line and adjusted the other channel I had the music going into (same signal, just split).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I played the music and alternated between the two speakers and two channels respectively tweaking as I went.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">After this, I put my guitar and vocal into a pair of channels and tweaked each as good as possible through each set of speakers. Unfortunately, when I did this, there wasn't an easy way to switch channel eq's in and out like there is today (was using the stores 16.4.2 at the time), so I didn't get as good an A/B on this live setup.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Since my main purpose of these speakers was to use above subs, the music tests were conducted with and without subs (XLF's).</li> </ol><p></p><p>I played the music at moderate volume, and as high a volume as I could stand in that room.</p><p></p><p>The reason I tested like this was that I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just the default voicing that I liked, but rather the entire capability of the speaker after tweaking.</p><p></p><p>To me, this is the best way, short of using the speakers in your OWN live venue, to test a speaker. I disagree with the other post recommending you hear other bands play on some set of speakers and decide based on that. There are so many variables in that equation that it is hard to imagine a much less effective approach.</p><p></p><p>For me, it is about how good you can make a speaker sound, not how good it sounds without any eq. It is also important how the speaker behaves at higher volumes (for me). Some speakers that sound great at lower volume, get ugly when pushed harder .... while others thrive when pushed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Bolt, post: 137300, member: 3950"] Re: Upgrading our PA System - 12s or 15s, and are subs necessary? I went through this exersize a few years ago and did the following: [LIST=1] [*]Brought high quality recordings of 2 different kinds of music. The first was high impact rock with good kick and bass definition in it, the second was airy vocals (Nora Jones :) ). [*]I brought my microphone (ND767a) and my guitar (Taylor). [*]For the music, I put the music into 2 channels of a mixer at the store. [*]I put the first set of tops on line, then adjusted the channel EQ to the best sound I could get. [*]I then put the second set of tops on line and adjusted the other channel I had the music going into (same signal, just split). [*]I played the music and alternated between the two speakers and two channels respectively tweaking as I went. [*]After this, I put my guitar and vocal into a pair of channels and tweaked each as good as possible through each set of speakers. Unfortunately, when I did this, there wasn't an easy way to switch channel eq's in and out like there is today (was using the stores 16.4.2 at the time), so I didn't get as good an A/B on this live setup. [*]Since my main purpose of these speakers was to use above subs, the music tests were conducted with and without subs (XLF's). [/LIST] I played the music at moderate volume, and as high a volume as I could stand in that room. The reason I tested like this was that I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just the default voicing that I liked, but rather the entire capability of the speaker after tweaking. To me, this is the best way, short of using the speakers in your OWN live venue, to test a speaker. I disagree with the other post recommending you hear other bands play on some set of speakers and decide based on that. There are so many variables in that equation that it is hard to imagine a much less effective approach. For me, it is about how good you can make a speaker sound, not how good it sounds without any eq. It is also important how the speaker behaves at higher volumes (for me). Some speakers that sound great at lower volume, get ugly when pushed harder .... while others thrive when pushed. [/QUOTE]
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