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uTrack 32 for X32 - first impressions from an owner
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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Bolt" data-source="post: 146800" data-attributes="member: 3950"><p>Re: uTrack 32 for X32 - first impressions from an owner</p><p></p><p></p><p>Closer <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>$500.00 is looking better, but still seems really crazy to an old engineer like myself.</p><p></p><p>I am thinking that all you would need is relatively fast micro with embedded SDIO and USB modules along with an external RAM interface for buffering.</p><p></p><p>We are only talking about <50Mbit/sec of data here. Even a slow SDIO interface and relatively slow USB interface will do this (Requrires USB2.0 or 3.0 since 1.0 is only 12Mbit/sec). As far as an embedded processor goes, this should be quite simple to accomplish .... especially if you are clever with the use of DMA.</p><p></p><p>The real trick (I am guessing) would be defining the USB packets being sent from various mixers. I doubt that Behringer and Soundcraft send the same telegrams <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Still, even this should be relatively simple to cover 10 to 20 formats. Depending on how consistent the various mixer OE's have been with labeling their USB device ID's, you could even make your device select the correct format automatically.</p><p></p><p>Without any NRE, I think you could make a device like this for <$80 in parts. A final sales price of $200 would leave plenty of money for everyone involved .... except for the recovery of the previously mentioned NRE <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Based on my experience, I would guess the NRE for this to be around $1,000,000. If you estimate sales of 10,000, then it only adds $100 to each unit. </p><p></p><p>I do really like this approach though. It is completely independent of the mixer being used and therefore can get more sales from the same device. Only the amount of protocol development for the different data formats must be done per mixer supported.</p><p></p><p>Seems like one should be able to create a beast like this and offer it for sale at around $300.00 .... at which point I might well bite <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Bolt, post: 146800, member: 3950"] Re: uTrack 32 for X32 - first impressions from an owner Closer ;) $500.00 is looking better, but still seems really crazy to an old engineer like myself. I am thinking that all you would need is relatively fast micro with embedded SDIO and USB modules along with an external RAM interface for buffering. We are only talking about <50Mbit/sec of data here. Even a slow SDIO interface and relatively slow USB interface will do this (Requrires USB2.0 or 3.0 since 1.0 is only 12Mbit/sec). As far as an embedded processor goes, this should be quite simple to accomplish .... especially if you are clever with the use of DMA. The real trick (I am guessing) would be defining the USB packets being sent from various mixers. I doubt that Behringer and Soundcraft send the same telegrams ;) Still, even this should be relatively simple to cover 10 to 20 formats. Depending on how consistent the various mixer OE's have been with labeling their USB device ID's, you could even make your device select the correct format automatically. Without any NRE, I think you could make a device like this for <$80 in parts. A final sales price of $200 would leave plenty of money for everyone involved .... except for the recovery of the previously mentioned NRE ;) Based on my experience, I would guess the NRE for this to be around $1,000,000. If you estimate sales of 10,000, then it only adds $100 to each unit. I do really like this approach though. It is completely independent of the mixer being used and therefore can get more sales from the same device. Only the amount of protocol development for the different data formats must be done per mixer supported. Seems like one should be able to create a beast like this and offer it for sale at around $300.00 .... at which point I might well bite ;) [/QUOTE]
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