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<blockquote data-quote="Randy Gartner" data-source="post: 64893" data-attributes="member: 104">Re: Wacky things on bid spec&#039;sOne problem is many design engineers I have dealt with are not familiar with the lastest gear so they spec what they know.This seems to be the case especially when dealing with architects on public buildings like schools. It almost seems that they maybe getting a royalty if the equipment they spec is used because they seemd to spec the same gear for every job.. But here&#039;s one thing I found on a bid a few years ago. A firm that is now out of business wrote out their bids with a material list and a price.At the bottom in small print it said labor provided on a hourly basis. I was asked to bid on a church about 2 years ago. I knew the minister because I did an install at his former church.I gave him my bid and it was just under $9,000. He showed me the other bid they got which was from the above mentioned company. Their price was $7,500. When I poined out the fine print at the bottom about the labor not being included,he admitted he didn&#039;t see that. They didn&#039;t get the job,but what was amazing is that they were in business for over 20 years.Another installer I know informed me about the way their contacts were written up.I don&#039;t know if they always wrote their contracts that way or just started doing it when the econmy slowed,but either way,I found it to be unethical.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Randy Gartner, post: 64893, member: 104"] Re: Wacky things on bid spec's One problem is many design engineers I have dealt with are not familiar with the lastest gear so they spec what they know.This seems to be the case especially when dealing with architects on public buildings like schools. It almost seems that they maybe getting a royalty if the equipment they spec is used because they seemd to spec the same gear for every job.. But here's one thing I found on a bid a few years ago. A firm that is now out of business wrote out their bids with a material list and a price.At the bottom in small print it said labor provided on a hourly basis. I was asked to bid on a church about 2 years ago. I knew the minister because I did an install at his former church.I gave him my bid and it was just under $9,000. He showed me the other bid they got which was from the above mentioned company. Their price was $7,500. When I poined out the fine print at the bottom about the labor not being included,he admitted he didn't see that. They didn't get the job,but what was amazing is that they were in business for over 20 years.Another installer I know informed me about the way their contacts were written up.I don't know if they always wrote their contracts that way or just started doing it when the econmy slowed,but either way,I found it to be unethical. [/QUOTE]

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