I am looking for some wedges. Requirements: bi-amp capable(unless they a powered, which I am not opposed to), does not need to meet riders but if they do thats a plus, moderately priced ($1000 each), not too large because I end up on a lot of small stages(I was thinking 12''), pole mount would be a plus but is not a deal breaker, no rat fur. Thanks guys!
Wedgies
- Thread starter Chris Gruber
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The SRX712M slams, in its price range if properly powered (at least 800w per box passive mode). Extremely light and easy to transport.
The SRX712M slams, in its price range if properly powered (at least 800w per box passive mode). Extremely light and easy to transport.
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Chris,
Listen to those :
http://www.fbtusa.net/FBTVerve12matcf.html
I MEAN it !
With respect
Chris,
Listen to those :
http://www.fbtusa.net/FBTVerve12matcf.html
I MEAN it !
With respect
Jeff Hague
Freshman
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I have heard great things about the JBL srx712Ms and I think they are in your range if you already have the power to drive them.
I currently use 4 JBL PRX612Ms and 2 PRX615Ms and I am real happy with them. They do fit your criteria and are well worth a listen. The 615M sounds better than the 612 and is a bit louder too but both are plenty loud. The 615 is significantly bigger than the 612 though - I dont know what your definition of ''not too large'' is.
I have heard great things about the JBL srx712Ms and I think they are in your range if you already have the power to drive them.
I currently use 4 JBL PRX612Ms and 2 PRX615Ms and I am real happy with them. They do fit your criteria and are well worth a listen. The 615M sounds better than the 612 and is a bit louder too but both are plenty loud. The 615 is significantly bigger than the 612 though - I dont know what your definition of ''not too large'' is.
Silas Pradetto
Graduate Student
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The Radian APEX wedges are in that range, and they're basically a Microwedge but Radian brand. Very small and loud.
Also love the Community M12, but they're heavy.
The Radian APEX wedges are in that range, and they're basically a Microwedge but Radian brand. Very small and loud.
Also love the Community M12, but they're heavy.
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Hey John, how much do those weigh?
Chris,
Check your pm's.
I'll be providing for a fundraiser next Sunday on the north side of Chicago if you want to come down and check them out.
Best regards,
John
Hey John, how much do those weigh?
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Chris,
What is your timeframe on this?
If you are DIY inclined, we're currently working on a DIY coaxial wedge collaboration project in the DIY section here. Still in the planning/design stages, but likely something that will fit your bill at a reasonable cost.
If interested, check the thread out. For everyone else who might not have noticed this, feel free to share your input.
Chris,
What is your timeframe on this?
If you are DIY inclined, we're currently working on a DIY coaxial wedge collaboration project in the DIY section here. Still in the planning/design stages, but likely something that will fit your bill at a reasonable cost.
If interested, check the thread out. For everyone else who might not have noticed this, feel free to share your input.
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I got 41lbs. All 18mm Baltic Birch, dadoed/rabbeted/sawn via CNC machinery. Humans still assemble them though. ;>)
Best regards,
John
Chris,
Check your pm's.
I'll be providing for a fundraiser next Sunday on the north side of Chicago if you want to come down and check them out.
Best regards,
John
Hey John, how much do those weigh?
I got 41lbs. All 18mm Baltic Birch, dadoed/rabbeted/sawn via CNC machinery. Humans still assemble them though. ;>)
Best regards,
John
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I'd check out the Yamaha DSR 112
www.yamahaproaudio.com/products/speakers/dsr_series/dsr112.html
Haven't heard them yet although based on Yami's track record I'm definitly excited to. They are low profile and come in a reasonable bit under your budget. No rat fur and are pole mountable.
I'd check out the Yamaha DSR 112
www.yamahaproaudio.com/products/speakers/dsr_series/dsr112.html
Haven't heard them yet although based on Yami's track record I'm definitly excited to. They are low profile and come in a reasonable bit under your budget. No rat fur and are pole mountable.
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This is weird, from the spec page:
What's up with that? Must be a mistake. Specs say the box is down 3dB at 60Hz. That wouldn't be possible with a 120Hz 24dB/octave HPF.
Greg
[edit] They must be referring to the high pass switch on the back. Never mind, move along...
This is weird, from the spec page:
What's up with that? Must be a mistake. Specs say the box is down 3dB at 60Hz. That wouldn't be possible with a 120Hz 24dB/octave HPF.
Greg
[edit] They must be referring to the high pass switch on the back. Never mind, move along...
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And they have FIR processing and multi-band dynamics! Seems that the processing once primarily used in higher end offerings is entering the mainstream.
And they have FIR processing and multi-band dynamics! Seems that the processing once primarily used in higher end offerings is entering the mainstream.
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The EV QRX 112/75's are a decent little box as well. A little heavier than the JBL but less power required for the same SPL's
Edit: And then there are Microwedges
The EV QRX 112/75's are a decent little box as well. A little heavier than the JBL but less power required for the same SPL's
Edit: And then there are Microwedges
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I'd be curious to know the latency with that processing. They don't give the spec. Who's going to be the first to purchase and measure?
Greg
I'd be curious to know the latency with that processing. They don't give the spec. Who's going to be the first to purchase and measure?
Greg
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I presume they'd try to keep it reasonable. Crossover point is on the higher side, 1.7K, so that works in their favor with FIR latency.
I presume they'd try to keep it reasonable. Crossover point is on the higher side, 1.7K, so that works in their favor with FIR latency.
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That's right, lower points require more taps don't they? That is a very high x-over point. And that 134dB of peak output is really high. Of course, I'm sure that's calculated and of course no frequency spec is given. So the reality it that it's probably really 126dB measured and at 3kHz
Greg
That's right, lower points require more taps don't they? That is a very high x-over point. And that 134dB of peak output is really high. Of course, I'm sure that's calculated and of course no frequency spec is given. So the reality it that it's probably really 126dB measured and at 3kHz
Greg
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Yep, that's the reason you don't really see FIR's in use much below 500Hz. The latency quickly becomes unusable as the frequency is lowered.
Agreed 134 peak is probably meaningless from a real world perspective.
That's right, lower points require more taps don't they? That is a very high x-over point. And that 134dB of peak output is really high. Of course, I'm sure that's calculated and of course no frequency spec is given. So the reality it that it's probably really 126dB measured and at 3kHz
Greg
Yep, that's the reason you don't really see FIR's in use much below 500Hz. The latency quickly becomes unusable as the frequency is lowered.
Agreed 134 peak is probably meaningless from a real world perspective.
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A 134 dB peak requires about a 107 dB sensitivity in the HF driver, getting 450 watts.
Hot, but certainly in the usual range for a 90 x 60 HF horn midband.
If the LF driver is about 96 dB sensitivity, it should peak at about 125 dB with 850 watts. 95 to 100 dB sensitivity for a 12 is typical.
I have buried my RS meter (126 dB) with a pair of front loaded Eminence Kappa 10'' with around 1000 watts of 200Hz sine wave at one meter. This matches with the 95 dB spec (+6 dB for two cones driven FTB) so the Yamaha specs look reasonable to me. Even with dead phones on, that level hurt, and the dB meter would not stay put on the table. The speakers did smell a bit, but sine waves have way more average power than most music, with normal music peaks in the 125 dB all day long should be possible for a high power 12''.
Art Welter
That's right, lower points require more taps don't they? That is a very high x-over point. And that 134dB of peak output is really high. Of course, I'm sure that's calculated and of course no frequency spec is given. So the reality it that it's probably really 126dB measured and at 3kHz
Greg
A 134 dB peak requires about a 107 dB sensitivity in the HF driver, getting 450 watts.
Hot, but certainly in the usual range for a 90 x 60 HF horn midband.
If the LF driver is about 96 dB sensitivity, it should peak at about 125 dB with 850 watts. 95 to 100 dB sensitivity for a 12 is typical.
I have buried my RS meter (126 dB) with a pair of front loaded Eminence Kappa 10'' with around 1000 watts of 200Hz sine wave at one meter. This matches with the 95 dB spec (+6 dB for two cones driven FTB) so the Yamaha specs look reasonable to me. Even with dead phones on, that level hurt, and the dB meter would not stay put on the table. The speakers did smell a bit, but sine waves have way more average power than most music, with normal music peaks in the 125 dB all day long should be possible for a high power 12''.
Art Welter
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John;
Have a link? Can't seem to find anything on google.
Douglas R. Allen
Chris,
Check your pm's.
I'll be providing for a fundraiser next Sunday on the north side of Chicago if you want to come down and check them out.
Best regards,
John
John;
Have a link? Can't seem to find anything on google.
Douglas R. Allen