What do you do?

Lisa Lane-Collins

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Gig A is meant to finish at 11, gig B starts at 12. You've allowed for A to run over by 30, maybe even 40 minutes but it blows out by 60. You realise this halfway through the headliner's set. They are the ones who booked you and you don't feel like you can interrupt them mid set to explain the situation.

Do you see through A gig leaving B gig without a tech or leave halfway through A's set?



(You've already exhausted your network of known techs who could possibly go and do B)



More importantly, how do you not end up in that position in the first place?!
 
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I've seen similar situations where the promoter hired in the crew and told them a time by which they would be finished. That time comes and goes, and the headliner is still playing. Except half the crew needed to leave shortly after the time they were given because the public transit system was shutting down for the night. So they left. (It doesn't help that they were getting paid a flat rate for the day).

What I've typically seen is that if a call runs over the published call time, the crew chief will let anybody who needs to leave leave. This obviously doesn't work if you are the only tech there.

Me, I won't book back-to-back gigs unless I know for certain that the first will end on time (or I can leave on time). This typically means venue or police enforced end times, or I'm setup/teardown crew and can tell the crew chief "sorry, but this is past the published call time" and leave.
 
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Lisa,

Time is something we all wish we had more of and stress is something we wish we had less of. Booking back-to-back gigs loads on stress and takes away precious time that you should be focusing on your client with; I say make sure you have someone already lined up for the second gig if you plan to continue going about things like that. Otherwise, just do one-a-day. That's plenty for most. You're only one person, and you'll get burnt out quickly trying to keep that pace.
 
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Definitely going to have to take on less work in a day, and or communicate better to clients that I have to go at a certain time and are they happy to work around that. The weekend debacle had me wondering why I take on so much - of course, the answer is obvious, the omnipresent pressure of being low income with no savings. I have to start quoting higher too (am I worth it? Perhaps I will be a whole lot more worth it when your money buys my attention for the whole day instead of a window of time in between other jobs...)

There was another, even more terrible night a couple of months ago where I already thought I'd realised this. 5 jobs in one day, one of which suffered terribly with my time stretched so thin and I was convinced by the end of it I'd lose my one long term hire client too. So I've cut back a bit from 5 to 3 (to clarify, this isn't an Every weekend thing, but a sometimes a bunch of jobs come my way and I try and do them all thing) but still biting off more than I can chew evidently. It seems grabbing at the gigs that will make enough to live is undermining being professional at sound tech (not just mixing well but nailing the time management and communication and being reliable etc not to mention by the time I got to the last mix of the day my hearing was starting to suffer) :-(


In the case of last Saturday, there was a guy hanging around by the mixing desk who'd been dropping hints all night that last time this particular band played this particular venue, he mixed them, and that he was their 'regular' tech and only didn't mix this gig because his band was on the bill. I left the mix in his hands and, not knowing who to talk to about having to leave (the person who booked me was the bass player and she was mid set) I left without telling anyone but the tech who took my place. In my objective picture, that gig went on (and as far as I've heard, he actually improved the mix so, Silver lining people!!!!) and the other gig could commence. The fall out from the band that was left and their manager was really intense though. Radiating disappointment. There was the half an hour conversation with the manager when I got back to the venue about how unprofessional that was and how lucky I was the other guy stepped in and how he improved the mix and how disappointed they all were and how average my mixing was and how "no one walked out, but this band can sound a whole lot better than they did today and we expected more". (I haven't the faintest idea why they thought I'd mix them better, every time I've mixed them I've struggled with their need for infinite foldback and it's sounded kind of average). And a more polite expression of that disappointment from the bass player when I sent her an apology message and a long missive from the guitarist the next day about how it's hard for bands to maintain a high standard of performance when the production team walks out half way through and how it sucks that so many sound techs in Adelaide are so unprofessional (maybe it's because we All get paid in string and pretzels....). I almost started to think it would have been better to leave the other band to fend for themselves, I know from past experience they would have been more forgiving (but I have an ongoing working relationship with the other band so of course I'm going to be loyal to them).

To top it all off, I lost my next 2 days to sleeping trying to recover from Saturday.

Not ever letting myself get in that position again, rock and a hard place does not do description justice and nights like that make me afraid I'll never get actually proper professional at this, so much more required than just mixing well. With my 20 20 hindsight vision I can think of a myriad of things I could have done differently that would have made the night better and less of a trainwreck and why on earth didn't I think of and do those those things Before crunch time?!
 
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Did you have a contract for gig A or gig B?
Using a contract for your services will put you up above the ankle-biters in a prospective client's eyes.
Having a signed contract with the start/end times makes your situation a no-brainer.

My experience comes from a wedding gig with my classical group that I did several years ago:
I had contracted a wedding ceremony with a start time of 4:45pm. I then got called for a wedding within a mile of the original booking with a start time of 2:45pm with a list end time of 4:00pm.
Both performances were documented with Musician's Union contracts/deposits, etc.

On the day of the events the 2:45pm bride decided to arrive at the church 45 mins late...thus her ceremony ran over... At 4:15pm we left the church (mid-ceremony) and went to the 2nd gig, tuned, and started by our contracted time.

The bride and groom from the first wedding were really mad but in reality the bride blew it...and I let the priest and the groom know.. I informed the groom that if he wanted to pursue in legal fashion to go for it!

Yes, we were paid in full for gig #1.

Use a signed contract for all of your gigs and all problems will be moot.

Mike Monte
 
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I never like to spread myself too thin. The most gigs I did in one night was 3. A small rig (SOS) a medium bar rig and my full bar sound/light rig.

It was a bit hectic, the timing worked out and 2 out of the 3 were for the same event, 2 out of 3 were for the same bands. It worked out but I wouldn't try to do it again. Toj stressful. Nowadays I just limit myself to one gig/day.
 
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For all the talk of you being unprofessional I would have politely reminded them that they started an hour late, which is also unprofessional and not respectful of your time.

Overall though, either book fewer gigs in a day or have someone lined up to cover you. I would also leave a note or a text to the client when I left to communicate what was happening and that I had so and so there to cover and they will take good care of you.

The best thing is to just not get yourself in this situation AND do as Mike suggested and have written agreements for when you are where and what is expected.
 
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Ok, Lisa, here's what you do:

Step One: Find a bunch of fellow sound tech type friends and tell them you will put them on your "Call List" for when you need extra help
Step 2) Tell your clients that you are already booked, but that you will staff the show with one of your "best people"
C-a Because you are in such high demand, you raise your rates by 50%, then when you need to hire out an extra mixer for a show, you pay them 50% of THAT rate, and you pocket the other 50%
Finally: Now you are profiting on both gigs.

See...you just started a production labor company ;)

(Of course, there's probably a bunch of legal stuff and accounting and payroll systems that have to be set up, plus worker's comp, insurance, and taxes (which aren't taxes in Australia like 95% or something?)...Better go ahead and double your rates to make sure you have something left to take home at the end of the week.)
 
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..... how disappointed they all were and how average my mixing was and how "no one walked out, but this band can sound a whole lot better than they did today and we expected more". (I haven't the faintest idea why they thought I'd mix them better, every time I've mixed them I've struggled with their need for infinite foldback and it's sounded kind of average).

Hi Lisa,

We've talked about the scheduling issue in this thread, but on the issue quoted above, that would be something that I would really find frustrating, perhaps even moreso than the schedule issues.

If you want to improve your mixing chops, I would strongly encourage spending some time in the recording world. If you do not already have a DAW, pick up a free/cheap one such as Studio One Free, Reaper, etc. There are tons of multitrack projects you can download to practice mixing with, such as the ones at Shaking Through http://weathervanemusic.org/shakingthrough

There are also plenty of forums where you can submit your mixes for critique etc and where multiple people all mix the same song, which are useful experiences too.

In addition, I would recommend checking out Pensado's Place, particularly the "Into The Lair" video series, which has short videos on various mixing topics. It's a great resource that will give you lots of creative ideas. http://www.pensadosplace.tv/category/into-the-lair/

Of course the recording world doesn't deal with things like stage volume and bleed to the same degree, but you will still benefit from spending some time with this.

PS - Think of mixing as your part in the performance and you'll have more fun.

Hope that helps
Jeff