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<blockquote data-quote="Ivan Beaver" data-source="post: 50441" data-attributes="member: 30">Re: Which limiters are good enough?Heres the deal.&nbsp; How good do you want the limiter to actually be?I know that sounds stupid-but follow me.Do you want the limiter to stop the speaker from &quot;blowing&quot;.&nbsp; Then any limiter on the market can do that-as longas you set it low enough.&nbsp; Of course you won&#039;t be able to driver your speakers anywhere near the maximum-but at least you won&#039;t blow them up.Do you want to be able to run your system up to around 99% and not blow it up?&nbsp; IF SO-then you are GOING to have to have a limiter that has all sorts of different &quot;types&quot; of limiting.AND you are going to HAVE to know the exact limits of your speakers (and that will often not come off of the spec sheet).AND you are going to have to know how to PROPERLY setup the limiter.Now in reality-what you are looking for is something inbetween these two extremes.&nbsp; The &quot;inbetween&quot; is a VERY LARGE area-of all different types of limiters-different qualities and so forth.For example-you should have a &quot;peak stop-an RMS-a thermal/heating-an overexcursion-a HF feedback oscillation limiter and so forth.&nbsp; Most of those numbers you will not be able to get from the manufacturer-so how would you know where to set them?&nbsp; Carefull measurement is the way-but you hvae to be carefull not to tear up your loudspeakers in the process of &quot;trying to protect them&quot;.It is NOT and easy question-but the BIGGEST issues are NOT the particular limiters-but how well they are setup.&nbsp; This is based on your knowledge and skill and how accurate the specs are on the loudspeakers.You can use the best limiters out there-but set them up wrong and they are worthless.Setting limiters to get the most out of a loudspeaker-without tearing it up-is not an easy thing to do.Just like building a bridge.&nbsp; Building a bridge to carry a specific load is pretty easy.&nbsp; Building it to &quot;just barely&quot; carry that load-is WAAYYYYYYY HARDER.&nbsp; Most people want to be able to run &quot;right up to the edge&quot; and not have a problem.&nbsp; That is very hard to do.&nbsp; So setting the limiter where it &quot;kicks in&quot; nice and early gives a better guarantee-but less overall output.As will all things in audio-doing &quot;really right&quot; is often very hard.&nbsp; Kinda getting by-is much easier.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ivan Beaver, post: 50441, member: 30"] Re: Which limiters are good enough? Heres the deal. How good do you want the limiter to actually be? I know that sounds stupid-but follow me. Do you want the limiter to stop the speaker from "blowing". Then any limiter on the market can do that-as longas you set it low enough. Of course you won't be able to driver your speakers anywhere near the maximum-but at least you won't blow them up. Do you want to be able to run your system up to around 99% and not blow it up? IF SO-then you are GOING to have to have a limiter that has all sorts of different "types" of limiting. AND you are going to HAVE to know the exact limits of your speakers (and that will often not come off of the spec sheet). AND you are going to have to know how to PROPERLY setup the limiter. Now in reality-what you are looking for is something inbetween these two extremes. The "inbetween" is a VERY LARGE area-of all different types of limiters-different qualities and so forth. For example-you should have a "peak stop-an RMS-a thermal/heating-an overexcursion-a HF feedback oscillation limiter and so forth. Most of those numbers you will not be able to get from the manufacturer-so how would you know where to set them? Carefull measurement is the way-but you hvae to be carefull not to tear up your loudspeakers in the process of "trying to protect them". It is NOT and easy question-but the BIGGEST issues are NOT the particular limiters-but how well they are setup. This is based on your knowledge and skill and how accurate the specs are on the loudspeakers. You can use the best limiters out there-but set them up wrong and they are worthless. Setting limiters to get the most out of a loudspeaker-without tearing it up-is not an easy thing to do. Just like building a bridge. Building a bridge to carry a specific load is pretty easy. Building it to "just barely" carry that load-is WAAYYYYYYY HARDER. Most people want to be able to run "right up to the edge" and not have a problem. That is very hard to do. So setting the limiter where it "kicks in" nice and early gives a better guarantee-but less overall output. As will all things in audio-doing "really right" is often very hard. Kinda getting by-is much easier. [/QUOTE]

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