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<blockquote data-quote="Ivan Beaver" data-source="post: 50550" data-attributes="member: 30">Re: Which limiters are good enough?Back in the 80&#039;s I had a regular Sat night gig (not installed-I brought it in each day).&nbsp; The venue (Wilmars Park in&nbsp; Brandywine Md) had a large outdoor area and a indoor room (maybe 1000 heads) as well.&nbsp; If the weather was good-we would go outside.&nbsp; If bad-we went inside.I used the same rig either way.&nbsp; Indoors was not a problem.&nbsp; But outside (doing Metal) it was not quite enough.&nbsp; Sounded good-but didn&#039;t have enough level for what the typical engineer wanted.&nbsp; But I was not being paid any more-so they got the same rig-deal with it.A common problem with the &quot;engineers (I use that term loosely) was that they would just keep pushing the system and bury the mix in the main limiter.&nbsp; It would huff and puff-but didn&#039;t blow up. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />When the next band would come on-I would simply drop the level a good bit and &quot;stay under the limiter&quot;.&nbsp; Then the first band would come up and start yelling at me because I &quot;screwed them&quot; and didn&#039;t let them be as loud.&nbsp; I couldn&#039;t get it through their thick ego heads that what I did was DROP the level for the next band that I was mixing.When the mix wasn&#039;t being buried in the mix-there was more dynamic range and there was more impact to the sound-even if it was actually quieter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ivan Beaver, post: 50550, member: 30"] Re: Which limiters are good enough? Back in the 80's I had a regular Sat night gig (not installed-I brought it in each day). The venue (Wilmars Park in Brandywine Md) had a large outdoor area and a indoor room (maybe 1000 heads) as well. If the weather was good-we would go outside. If bad-we went inside. I used the same rig either way. Indoors was not a problem. But outside (doing Metal) it was not quite enough. Sounded good-but didn't have enough level for what the typical engineer wanted. But I was not being paid any more-so they got the same rig-deal with it. A common problem with the "engineers (I use that term loosely) was that they would just keep pushing the system and bury the mix in the main limiter. It would huff and puff-but didn't blow up. :) When the next band would come on-I would simply drop the level a good bit and "stay under the limiter". Then the first band would come up and start yelling at me because I "screwed them" and didn't let them be as loud. I couldn't get it through their thick ego heads that what I did was DROP the level for the next band that I was mixing. When the mix wasn't being buried in the mix-there was more dynamic range and there was more impact to the sound-even if it was actually quieter. [/QUOTE]

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