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<blockquote data-quote="Tim McCulloch" data-source="post: 16266" data-attributes="member: 67">Re: Working for CheapOnly if we can get a really cheap photographer <img src="http://www.soundforums.net/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Thanks.&nbsp; I&#039;ll need years of expensive therapy to get that image out of my head.&nbsp; Now put your damn clothes on, hippie. <img src="http://www.soundforums.net/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Aren&#039;t you supposed to have a power point presentation with animated bullet points for each of those?&nbsp; And you left out the word &#039;&#039;overcome&#039;&#039;.Seriously, though, people work for different prices because they have different income needs from their &#039;&#039;audio endeavour.&#039;&#039;&nbsp; Even in the bigger leagues there are plenty of guys/companies who&#039;ll work way too cheap.&nbsp; I&#039;ve watched a couple of companies under-price themselves out of business.&nbsp; When you start out by underbidding established events by 40% and telling the client that everyone else they&#039;ve ever worked with has screwed them, you&#039;ve painted yourself into a corner; you&#039;ll never get another dime from that client and when the expenses mount, you have no way to increase the immediate revenue stream.&nbsp; I&#039;m watching another company do exactly this right now.Some production company owners are still in it for the &#039;glamor&#039;.&nbsp; They haven&#039;t done enough shows in the rain, loaded out down snow covered fire escapes, rode out microburst thunderstorms that flatten roofs, dodged charging rodeo critters...&nbsp; There ain&#039;t much glamor in this biz but there can be immense satisfaction when the house lights go down, the drummer counts off the first song and you find the hair on the back of your neck standing in the first bar of the song.&nbsp; That magic is addictive, and some people will under bid to get more shows and hope they feel that magic again (or for the first time).Certainly nobody is in this for the &#039;big&#039; money.&nbsp; If you look at what a typical regional ties up in gear, warehousing, transportation and support, most owners would be &#039;big&#039; money ahead to invest in something else.&nbsp; How the smaller players make a &#039;real&#039; profit based on the fees I see every time a &#039;&#039;how much should I charge...&#039;&#039; comes up, I don&#039;t know.Have fun, good luck.Tim Mc</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tim McCulloch, post: 16266, member: 67"] Re: Working for Cheap Only if we can get a really cheap photographer [img]http://www.soundforums.net/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif[/img] Thanks. I'll need years of expensive therapy to get that image out of my head. Now put your damn clothes on, hippie. [img]http://www.soundforums.net/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif[/img] Aren't you supposed to have a power point presentation with animated bullet points for each of those? And you left out the word ''overcome''. Seriously, though, people work for different prices because they have different income needs from their ''audio endeavour.'' Even in the bigger leagues there are plenty of guys/companies who'll work way too cheap. I've watched a couple of companies under-price themselves out of business. When you start out by underbidding established events by 40% and telling the client that everyone else they've ever worked with has screwed them, you've painted yourself into a corner; you'll never get another dime from that client and when the expenses mount, you have no way to increase the immediate revenue stream. I'm watching another company do exactly this right now. Some production company owners are still in it for the 'glamor'. They haven't done enough shows in the rain, loaded out down snow covered fire escapes, rode out microburst thunderstorms that flatten roofs, dodged charging rodeo critters... There ain't much glamor in this biz but there can be immense satisfaction when the house lights go down, the drummer counts off the first song and you find the hair on the back of your neck standing in the first bar of the song. That magic is addictive, and some people will under bid to get more shows and hope they feel that magic again (or for the first time). Certainly nobody is in this for the 'big' money. If you look at what a typical regional ties up in gear, warehousing, transportation and support, most owners would be 'big' money ahead to invest in something else. How the smaller players make a 'real' profit based on the fees I see every time a ''how much should I charge...'' comes up, I don't know. Have fun, good luck. Tim Mc [/QUOTE]

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