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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Bolt" data-source="post: 138787" data-attributes="member: 3950"><p>Re: X32, DCAs, Groups, etc.</p><p></p><p>Hi Todd,</p><p></p><p>Thanks for the scene file. I doubt I could have even come close to getting you an answer without it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>You have quite a bit going on here. With respect to the monitor system, you have the same signal going into the P16 more than once. As an example, you have vocal 1 going in as a separate feed, then as part of the group .... and the group is also going into the P16.</p><p></p><p>Lets talk about groups and buses (and please someone correct me if I am wrong).</p><p></p><p>When you use a subgroup, it sums up all the signals assigned to it as its input. This sum is the subgroups "pre fader" input.</p><p></p><p>In this situation, when you raise the volume of one of the items in the subgroup, the input of that subgroup goes up for that channel.</p><p></p><p>Tapping the subgroup off for the P16 prefader therefore does not do what you want since the volume for that input goes up (p.s. It wouldn't matter if you raised the DCA or the actual fader for vocal 1)</p><p></p><p>Now lets do the same situation, but use a mix bus instead of a subgroup:</p><p></p><p>With a mix bus, you don't just assign an input to it like you do a subgroup, you also assign how much of that signal to send to the mix bus. In my previous example, you would select vocal 1, then on the vocal 1 sends page, would decide how much of vocal 1 to send to the mix bus. The level going to the mix bus for vocal 1 will not change when you change the fader for vocal 1.</p><p></p><p>Now if you assign your mix bus as one of the inputs to the P16, you should get what you were looking for (assuming you set your configuration for this mix bus to pre-fader).</p><p></p><p>If you have any questions about changing your config to mix buses vs subgroups, let me know.</p><p></p><p>Finally, as pointed out DCA's (digitally controlled amplifiers) are more like a set of fingers that move all the sliders you have assigned to them up and down together. They don't have any processing, and can't be routed anywhere since they are not a mix bus or subgroup ... or really in the signal chain at all. They are still very useful (I only use DCA's, and have no subgroups at all).</p><p></p><p>If you need any more information, please let me know. If you are still confused .... and it is easy to be confused on something this complex, let me know and I can create a scene file and post it with a setup that will do what you want it to do.</p><p></p><p>What was the purpose of your subgroups?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Bolt, post: 138787, member: 3950"] Re: X32, DCAs, Groups, etc. Hi Todd, Thanks for the scene file. I doubt I could have even come close to getting you an answer without it ;) You have quite a bit going on here. With respect to the monitor system, you have the same signal going into the P16 more than once. As an example, you have vocal 1 going in as a separate feed, then as part of the group .... and the group is also going into the P16. Lets talk about groups and buses (and please someone correct me if I am wrong). When you use a subgroup, it sums up all the signals assigned to it as its input. This sum is the subgroups "pre fader" input. In this situation, when you raise the volume of one of the items in the subgroup, the input of that subgroup goes up for that channel. Tapping the subgroup off for the P16 prefader therefore does not do what you want since the volume for that input goes up (p.s. It wouldn't matter if you raised the DCA or the actual fader for vocal 1) Now lets do the same situation, but use a mix bus instead of a subgroup: With a mix bus, you don't just assign an input to it like you do a subgroup, you also assign how much of that signal to send to the mix bus. In my previous example, you would select vocal 1, then on the vocal 1 sends page, would decide how much of vocal 1 to send to the mix bus. The level going to the mix bus for vocal 1 will not change when you change the fader for vocal 1. Now if you assign your mix bus as one of the inputs to the P16, you should get what you were looking for (assuming you set your configuration for this mix bus to pre-fader). If you have any questions about changing your config to mix buses vs subgroups, let me know. Finally, as pointed out DCA's (digitally controlled amplifiers) are more like a set of fingers that move all the sliders you have assigned to them up and down together. They don't have any processing, and can't be routed anywhere since they are not a mix bus or subgroup ... or really in the signal chain at all. They are still very useful (I only use DCA's, and have no subgroups at all). If you need any more information, please let me know. If you are still confused .... and it is easy to be confused on something this complex, let me know and I can create a scene file and post it with a setup that will do what you want it to do. What was the purpose of your subgroups? [/QUOTE]
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