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<blockquote data-quote="Ron Kimball" data-source="post: 33650" data-attributes="member: 405">Re: Yes, it&#039;s cliche, yes it&#039;s overdiscussed, but yes, I need new subs.The Growlers aren&#039;t a particularly efficient cabinet - about the same as an SRX718S but can take quite a bit more power without distorting. I&#039;ve concluded that folks don&#039;t really want clean hifi bass such as the Growlers generate - your ears really don&#039;t pick it up well. It&#039;s the harmonics that we perceive as strong bass, not the fundamentals. When driven past xmax subs generate quite a bit of that which I believe is why many folks are always saying that a certain sub doesn&#039;t &quot;come alive&quot; until powered to a certain level. None of my subs go much below 50Hz but I use a Waves &quot;MaxxBass&quot; unit to generate those harmonics that make them sound like they go down to 20Hz - unless you get close enough to notice there&#039;s quite a bit less air movement than expected up close you really can&#039;t tell I&#039;m &quot;faking&quot; it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> . It&#039;s particularly effective on conventional horn subs that get all flabby if you feed them anything below their cutoff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ron Kimball, post: 33650, member: 405"] Re: Yes, it's cliche, yes it's overdiscussed, but yes, I need new subs. The Growlers aren't a particularly efficient cabinet - about the same as an SRX718S but can take quite a bit more power without distorting. I've concluded that folks don't really want clean hifi bass such as the Growlers generate - your ears really don't pick it up well. It's the harmonics that we perceive as strong bass, not the fundamentals. When driven past xmax subs generate quite a bit of that which I believe is why many folks are always saying that a certain sub doesn't "come alive" until powered to a certain level. None of my subs go much below 50Hz but I use a Waves "MaxxBass" unit to generate those harmonics that make them sound like they go down to 20Hz - unless you get close enough to notice there's quite a bit less air movement than expected up close you really can't tell I'm "faking" it ;) . It's particularly effective on conventional horn subs that get all flabby if you feed them anything below their cutoff. [/QUOTE]

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