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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Babcock" data-source="post: 66318" data-attributes="member: 46"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One traditional response to this:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'">"God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.7 billion years ago. "</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'">A common modern atheistic view is the concepts of super/multi universe/time independence :</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'">"Uncomfortable with the idea that physical parameters like lambda [cosmological constant] are simply lucky accidents, some cosmologists, including Hawking, have suggested that there have been an infinity of big bangs going off in a larger 'multiverse,' each with different values for these parameters. Only those values that are compatible with life could be observed by beings such as ourselves."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'">Either way it is a bit of a mind-bender to think about. </span></span><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'verdana'">All are pretty loosely defined concepts, which of course can not be confirmed experimentally any moreso than the creationist concept.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeff Babcock, post: 66318, member: 46"] Re: You're welcome. One traditional response to this: [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana]"God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.7 billion years ago. " A common modern atheistic view is the concepts of super/multi universe/time independence : [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana]"Uncomfortable with the idea that physical parameters like lambda [cosmological constant] are simply lucky accidents, some cosmologists, including Hawking, have suggested that there have been an infinity of big bangs going off in a larger 'multiverse,' each with different values for these parameters. Only those values that are compatible with life could be observed by beings such as ourselves." [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana] Either way it is a bit of a mind-bender to think about. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana]All are pretty loosely defined concepts, which of course can not be confirmed experimentally any moreso than the creationist concept.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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