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<blockquote data-quote="Phil Lewandowski" data-source="post: 66344" data-attributes="member: 44"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Matt,</p><p></p><p>This is unfortunately a question that is based on the misunderstanding of what one means when one says God. To ask the question "who created God" makes no sense whatsoever. The reason being is that God is not some mighty theory, cause,or explanation among many, but rather the answer to the question, why is there something rather than nothing. That is why I frown upon both "God of the gaps reasoning" and also others claiming god of the gaps reasoning when they don't fully understand what is being claimed.</p><p></p><p>It was recently stated in this way within an article written for a popular audience:</p><p> "But God, as the classical Catholic intellectual tradition understands him, is not one cause, however great, among many; not one more item within the universe jockeying for position with other competing causes. Rather, God is, as Thomas Aquinas characterized him, ipsum esse, or the sheer act of to-be itself — that power in and through which the universe in its totality exists. Once we grasp this, we see that no advance of the physical sciences could ever “eliminate” God or show that he is no longer required as an explaining cause, for the sciences can only explore objects and events within the finite cosmos."</p><p></p><p></p><p>Aristotle came to God through reason alone some 300 years before Christ even walked this earth. The God of the philosophers, the old testament, and Christianity (most specifically non-fundamentalist) has always been a reality that must be outside of space-time, must be unconditioned, uncaused, single, unique, and ultimately simple. In other words we can come to know God as pure actuality, in Aristotelian terms, and a pure act of existence.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Take care,</p><p>Phil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phil Lewandowski, post: 66344, member: 44"] Re: You're welcome. Matt, This is unfortunately a question that is based on the misunderstanding of what one means when one says God. To ask the question "who created God" makes no sense whatsoever. The reason being is that God is not some mighty theory, cause,or explanation among many, but rather the answer to the question, why is there something rather than nothing. That is why I frown upon both "God of the gaps reasoning" and also others claiming god of the gaps reasoning when they don't fully understand what is being claimed. It was recently stated in this way within an article written for a popular audience: "But God, as the classical Catholic intellectual tradition understands him, is not one cause, however great, among many; not one more item within the universe jockeying for position with other competing causes. Rather, God is, as Thomas Aquinas characterized him, ipsum esse, or the sheer act of to-be itself — that power in and through which the universe in its totality exists. Once we grasp this, we see that no advance of the physical sciences could ever “eliminate” God or show that he is no longer required as an explaining cause, for the sciences can only explore objects and events within the finite cosmos." Aristotle came to God through reason alone some 300 years before Christ even walked this earth. The God of the philosophers, the old testament, and Christianity (most specifically non-fundamentalist) has always been a reality that must be outside of space-time, must be unconditioned, uncaused, single, unique, and ultimately simple. In other words we can come to know God as pure actuality, in Aristotelian terms, and a pure act of existence. Take care, Phil [/QUOTE]
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