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<blockquote data-quote="Phil Lewandowski" data-source="post: 66347" data-attributes="member: 44"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p>This has actually been one of my main studies over the past several years and it many times comes down to several things.</p><p></p><p>The overarching theme is that these discussions/arguments normally are misdirected in that it is not actually faith vs. reason, science vs. religion, etc. that is being argued, but rather 2 different metaphysical views of reality.</p><p></p><p>(1) Materialistic-cum-mechanistic</p><p>(2) Aristotelian view of Formal, efficient, material, and final causality (the above only keeps material and a shriveled version of efficient causality)</p><p></p><p></p><p>These four are normally the big topics that must be discussion before one can actually delve into many of things mentioned earlier.</p><p></p><p>(a) the perpetuation of the myth that faith and reason are intrinsically opposed to each other</p><p>(b) the misunderstanding that philosophical discussion should be thrown out because no truth can come from it (in fact making that statement itself makes a philosophical statement)</p><p>(c) assuming the truth of empiricism/materialism</p><p>(d) throwing out final causality and formal causality in modern metaphysics</p><p></p><p>Once these 4 things are sorted out some headway can be made on much of what is being discussed in this thread. So as one could expect the discussion may be a bit too off topic for a sound forum, but I'm most always in the mood to discuss metaphysical principles with others. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Take care,</p><p>Phil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phil Lewandowski, post: 66347, member: 44"] Re: You're welcome. This has actually been one of my main studies over the past several years and it many times comes down to several things. The overarching theme is that these discussions/arguments normally are misdirected in that it is not actually faith vs. reason, science vs. religion, etc. that is being argued, but rather 2 different metaphysical views of reality. (1) Materialistic-cum-mechanistic (2) Aristotelian view of Formal, efficient, material, and final causality (the above only keeps material and a shriveled version of efficient causality) These four are normally the big topics that must be discussion before one can actually delve into many of things mentioned earlier. (a) the perpetuation of the myth that faith and reason are intrinsically opposed to each other (b) the misunderstanding that philosophical discussion should be thrown out because no truth can come from it (in fact making that statement itself makes a philosophical statement) (c) assuming the truth of empiricism/materialism (d) throwing out final causality and formal causality in modern metaphysics Once these 4 things are sorted out some headway can be made on much of what is being discussed in this thread. So as one could expect the discussion may be a bit too off topic for a sound forum, but I'm most always in the mood to discuss metaphysical principles with others. :) Take care, Phil [/QUOTE]
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