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<blockquote data-quote="Phil Lewandowski" data-source="post: 66438" data-attributes="member: 44"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p>A quick 2 cents on "creationism/intelligent design":</p><p></p><p>The debate again goes back to one's metaphysics as I mentioned above. The problem with the C/ID movement is that they give the game away when they take a basically materialist-cum-mechanistic metaphysics. They then try and point to irreducibly complex beings as proof that a creator is needed to explain the complexity. So in that way God has become the god-of-the-gaps, so when science finds a way to explain this complexity God simply gets pushed out of the way. This is the exact *wrong* way to go about it.</p><p></p><p>A whole different beast of an argument that many confuse with C/ID arguments is the type of teleological arguments, one of the best put forth by Aquinas. This argument has nothing to do with "Paley's watchmaker" type argument and the like. And I am sure Aquinas himself would have laughed at the sort of arguments that are in that same sort of realm. But again to understand the argument takes a knowledge of Aristotelian metaphysics. </p><p></p><p></p><p>A very intellectually sound book, which is also meant for a popular audience, that takes up the task of explaining why modern philosophy made a huge mistake in taking up a materialistic-cum-mechanistic metaphysics which ultimately undermines science itself (Hume) and why we must go back to an Aristotelian metaphysics to save the sciences is "The Last Superstition" by Edward Feser. I would also suggest "The One and the Many" by W. Norris Clarke in conjunction. </p><p></p><p>Clarke has a great chapter on the metaphysics of evolution and it is amazing how everything falls into place rationally and consistently. A great example of faith *and* reason rising up together as the two wings upon which the human spirit sours--as Blessed John Paul II put it. The Catholic Church's stance on evolution based on both scientific and philosophical knowledge, which my own personal view agrees with, is that the fact of some sort of evolution of physical living beings is quite evident. What we are very far off from is knowing exactly how evolution works and the exact causes and details.</p><p></p><p>Take Care,</p><p>Phil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phil Lewandowski, post: 66438, member: 44"] Re: You're welcome. A quick 2 cents on "creationism/intelligent design": The debate again goes back to one's metaphysics as I mentioned above. The problem with the C/ID movement is that they give the game away when they take a basically materialist-cum-mechanistic metaphysics. They then try and point to irreducibly complex beings as proof that a creator is needed to explain the complexity. So in that way God has become the god-of-the-gaps, so when science finds a way to explain this complexity God simply gets pushed out of the way. This is the exact *wrong* way to go about it. A whole different beast of an argument that many confuse with C/ID arguments is the type of teleological arguments, one of the best put forth by Aquinas. This argument has nothing to do with "Paley's watchmaker" type argument and the like. And I am sure Aquinas himself would have laughed at the sort of arguments that are in that same sort of realm. But again to understand the argument takes a knowledge of Aristotelian metaphysics. A very intellectually sound book, which is also meant for a popular audience, that takes up the task of explaining why modern philosophy made a huge mistake in taking up a materialistic-cum-mechanistic metaphysics which ultimately undermines science itself (Hume) and why we must go back to an Aristotelian metaphysics to save the sciences is "The Last Superstition" by Edward Feser. I would also suggest "The One and the Many" by W. Norris Clarke in conjunction. Clarke has a great chapter on the metaphysics of evolution and it is amazing how everything falls into place rationally and consistently. A great example of faith *and* reason rising up together as the two wings upon which the human spirit sours--as Blessed John Paul II put it. The Catholic Church's stance on evolution based on both scientific and philosophical knowledge, which my own personal view agrees with, is that the fact of some sort of evolution of physical living beings is quite evident. What we are very far off from is knowing exactly how evolution works and the exact causes and details. Take Care, Phil [/QUOTE]
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