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<blockquote data-quote="Per Søvik" data-source="post: 66571" data-attributes="member: 1285"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll be happy calling it something else; NoDSHIT, ExTED, or whatever (NonDivineSuperHumanIntelligentTechnology, ExtraTerrestrialEvolutionaryDevice) depending on the specific direction you woul like to take the concept.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Much of my knowledge and education predates the universe, sorry - the internet, (imagine that) and these are concepts I haven't dwelled on for decades, so no links I'm afraid. Then again, from your second statement I imagine you must be familiar with the argument. I know that biologists have proven many things by watching bacteria evolve in certain directions by manipulating their environment and prodding their little petrie dishes ( disproving divine intervention by using the very same to force creatures to evolve in a certain way, irony anyone??). I can disprove the existence of Ausralians by demonstrating that walking upside down is impossible, but you are free to not accept my proof if you have reason to believe that my logic is flawed.</p><p>We know for a fact that some races of dogs and cows, strains of bacteria and plants were created by our "divine" intervention. We don't doubt that pitbull terriers and streptomycin-resistent bacteria <u>could</u> have existed even if we didn't manipulate nature into producing them, but we also know their existence would have been highly improbable if we hadn't created them. And since we in fact know that we indeed did create them by our manipulation of their environment or their breeding conditions, we don't have to argue about how their actual existence came to be.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A lot depends on your definition of supernatural. If God, our Designers, the Creators, the Hearders of Earth or whoever showed up and explained their existence to us, they or it would no longer be considered supernatural because they or it would be within the realm of our understanding or knowledge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Per Søvik, post: 66571, member: 1285"] Re: You're welcome. I'll be happy calling it something else; NoDSHIT, ExTED, or whatever (NonDivineSuperHumanIntelligentTechnology, ExtraTerrestrialEvolutionaryDevice) depending on the specific direction you woul like to take the concept. Much of my knowledge and education predates the universe, sorry - the internet, (imagine that) and these are concepts I haven't dwelled on for decades, so no links I'm afraid. Then again, from your second statement I imagine you must be familiar with the argument. I know that biologists have proven many things by watching bacteria evolve in certain directions by manipulating their environment and prodding their little petrie dishes ( disproving divine intervention by using the very same to force creatures to evolve in a certain way, irony anyone??). I can disprove the existence of Ausralians by demonstrating that walking upside down is impossible, but you are free to not accept my proof if you have reason to believe that my logic is flawed. We know for a fact that some races of dogs and cows, strains of bacteria and plants were created by our "divine" intervention. We don't doubt that pitbull terriers and streptomycin-resistent bacteria [U]could[/U] have existed even if we didn't manipulate nature into producing them, but we also know their existence would have been highly improbable if we hadn't created them. And since we in fact know that we indeed did create them by our manipulation of their environment or their breeding conditions, we don't have to argue about how their actual existence came to be. A lot depends on your definition of supernatural. If God, our Designers, the Creators, the Hearders of Earth or whoever showed up and explained their existence to us, they or it would no longer be considered supernatural because they or it would be within the realm of our understanding or knowledge. [/QUOTE]
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