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<blockquote data-quote="Per Søvik" data-source="post: 66591" data-attributes="member: 1285"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, in other words I can't give you a link to my 30 year old notebooks currently providing nourishment for the multilegged cellolouse digesting creatures that evolved after humankind invented paper.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are statistical methods and there are ill-informed exercises in maths with no regard for known chemical processes, cause - effect, etc.</p><p>Using probability on snowflakes, one would instantly realize that there must be some mechanism causing the snowflakes to form in the manner they do, one would then investigate that mechanism and realize that the ice crystals form based on the properties of water molecules and can be categorized by the conditions they were formed under. The random variation that we observe after all known mechanisms are accounted for tally with what we can calculate, and there is no need for us to look for further mechanisms to explain the existence and variation of snowflakes.</p><p>Similarly, since chemistry is a known mechanism, we obviusly have to account for that before we do apply any combinatorics to calculate the probabilities. It is only when all known mechanisms, including evolution as we know it, are accounted for we can arrive at a number representing the probability of any given evolutionary step within a defined timeframe. Silly maths by people that don't understand probability and the mechanisms involved can easily be dismissed. </p><p>Similarly I could demonstrate to you that a few so-called scientific facts, particularly in medicine where statistics is constantly being misused to support reschearch papers, are based on flawed assumptions about processes, cause-effect and the dynamics of any system.</p><p></p><p>Statistics have shown there are mechanisms of evolution we don't yet understand, not even evolution scientists deny this, that is why they are still rescherarching. As long as we don't know what these mechanisms are, we are free to speculate about the nature of these mechanisms <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />~<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />~:smile:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Per Søvik, post: 66591, member: 1285"] Re: You're welcome. No, in other words I can't give you a link to my 30 year old notebooks currently providing nourishment for the multilegged cellolouse digesting creatures that evolved after humankind invented paper. There are statistical methods and there are ill-informed exercises in maths with no regard for known chemical processes, cause - effect, etc. Using probability on snowflakes, one would instantly realize that there must be some mechanism causing the snowflakes to form in the manner they do, one would then investigate that mechanism and realize that the ice crystals form based on the properties of water molecules and can be categorized by the conditions they were formed under. The random variation that we observe after all known mechanisms are accounted for tally with what we can calculate, and there is no need for us to look for further mechanisms to explain the existence and variation of snowflakes. Similarly, since chemistry is a known mechanism, we obviusly have to account for that before we do apply any combinatorics to calculate the probabilities. It is only when all known mechanisms, including evolution as we know it, are accounted for we can arrive at a number representing the probability of any given evolutionary step within a defined timeframe. Silly maths by people that don't understand probability and the mechanisms involved can easily be dismissed. Similarly I could demonstrate to you that a few so-called scientific facts, particularly in medicine where statistics is constantly being misused to support reschearch papers, are based on flawed assumptions about processes, cause-effect and the dynamics of any system. Statistics have shown there are mechanisms of evolution we don't yet understand, not even evolution scientists deny this, that is why they are still rescherarching. As long as we don't know what these mechanisms are, we are free to speculate about the nature of these mechanisms :)~:-)~:smile: [/QUOTE]
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