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<blockquote data-quote="Per Søvik" data-source="post: 66642" data-attributes="member: 1285"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hi Phil, </p><p>while a Metaphysicist might see a distinction here, I believe this is a question of semantics. I'm sure that it is absolutely clear to us all that the Laws of Physics doesn't actually govern anything and are in fact not laws or rules but descriptions of how stuff behave.</p><p>Everybody uses the expression and everybody understand what it means.</p><p>I agree that the universe have to exist for us to describe it, but given the fact that the universe's existence is a prerequisite for our existence, I would say that it is a very moot point indeed.</p><p>Particle physics are getting closer and closer to the actual, fundamental nature of matter, or so we are told. Like all things are getting closer and closer to a complete expanation that doesn't require a divine being to fill the gaps, we are at the same time getting closer to an understanding that doen't require metaphysics or philosophy.</p><p>While the early philosophers had a nearly unlimited source of unexplained phenomena for them to ponder, the hard sciences have removed virtually everything from the realm of the unknown, and metaphysics have to look beyond for stuff to ponder. Even astrophysics and particle physics are looking beyond the horizon of existence these days, so there is obviously very little left for the meta-sciences to claim as their exclusive and undisturbed territory.</p><p></p><p>It is a shame really, that so many brilliant minds are spending their time looking into the darkness of the void when so many tangible areas could do well with a bit of informed science. Wouldn't we all be better of if more thought was put into wasting the world's food resources on producing fuel and lining con artist's pockets with billions of CO2 quota dollars? Wouldn't it be better if any philosopher with half a brain could explain to the powers that be that waging war in foreign countries to catch terrorists produce more potential terrorists than the western world will ever be able to handle?</p><p></p><p>I believe it is fun to occasionally dwelve into the realm of the great unknown and maybe discuss a theory or two and rethink my opinions and my mental models, but too much and too often sometimes means you loose the fresh approach and end up staring yourself blind at a single spot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't ever apologize for being interesting <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />~<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />~:smile:</p><p></p><p>I have to apologize though for only answering the first part of you post, maybe more to come once my brain stops overheating :razz:</p><p></p><p>Per</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Per Søvik, post: 66642, member: 1285"] Re: You're welcome. Hi Phil, while a Metaphysicist might see a distinction here, I believe this is a question of semantics. I'm sure that it is absolutely clear to us all that the Laws of Physics doesn't actually govern anything and are in fact not laws or rules but descriptions of how stuff behave. Everybody uses the expression and everybody understand what it means. I agree that the universe have to exist for us to describe it, but given the fact that the universe's existence is a prerequisite for our existence, I would say that it is a very moot point indeed. Particle physics are getting closer and closer to the actual, fundamental nature of matter, or so we are told. Like all things are getting closer and closer to a complete expanation that doesn't require a divine being to fill the gaps, we are at the same time getting closer to an understanding that doen't require metaphysics or philosophy. While the early philosophers had a nearly unlimited source of unexplained phenomena for them to ponder, the hard sciences have removed virtually everything from the realm of the unknown, and metaphysics have to look beyond for stuff to ponder. Even astrophysics and particle physics are looking beyond the horizon of existence these days, so there is obviously very little left for the meta-sciences to claim as their exclusive and undisturbed territory. It is a shame really, that so many brilliant minds are spending their time looking into the darkness of the void when so many tangible areas could do well with a bit of informed science. Wouldn't we all be better of if more thought was put into wasting the world's food resources on producing fuel and lining con artist's pockets with billions of CO2 quota dollars? Wouldn't it be better if any philosopher with half a brain could explain to the powers that be that waging war in foreign countries to catch terrorists produce more potential terrorists than the western world will ever be able to handle? I believe it is fun to occasionally dwelve into the realm of the great unknown and maybe discuss a theory or two and rethink my opinions and my mental models, but too much and too often sometimes means you loose the fresh approach and end up staring yourself blind at a single spot. Don't ever apologize for being interesting :)~:-)~:smile: I have to apologize though for only answering the first part of you post, maybe more to come once my brain stops overheating :razz: Per [/QUOTE]
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