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<blockquote data-quote="Phil Lewandowski" data-source="post: 66669" data-attributes="member: 44"><p>Re: You're welcome.</p><p></p><p>Have to run out the door unfortunately, so I'll have to be brief.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No distinction is too small if it actually translates to reality. So I can tell you that there is a big distinction between the law of something and studying the actual causal powers that I mentioned. Again laws simply describe, real beings are the things that have these powers.</p><p></p><p>Again that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with studying the law of gravity, it is just a different way of studying. Like studying 2 sides of the same coin, both valid and true looking at the same thing, just a different view.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Physics doesn't actually govern anything and are in fact not laws or rules but descriptions of how stuff behave.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In fact, one will never be able to get rid of philosophy/metaphysics. Why? Because particle physics and all the sciences *assumes* metaphysics. In other words, when you say "there is no need for metaphysics because science can explain it all" you are making a metaphysical statement. There is no test you can do using the scientific method that could confirm this statement. Again this is because science assumes metaphysics.</p><p></p><p>Simply be careful of going down the route of scientism, where one believes that the only way to come to true knowledge about the world around us if through science. (As that statement is self defeating as well.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>So to sum up, philosophy and metaphysics are in no danger, and never will be <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Have a great night Per!</p><p>Phil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Phil Lewandowski, post: 66669, member: 44"] Re: You're welcome. Have to run out the door unfortunately, so I'll have to be brief. No distinction is too small if it actually translates to reality. So I can tell you that there is a big distinction between the law of something and studying the actual causal powers that I mentioned. Again laws simply describe, real beings are the things that have these powers. Again that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with studying the law of gravity, it is just a different way of studying. Like studying 2 sides of the same coin, both valid and true looking at the same thing, just a different view. Physics doesn't actually govern anything and are in fact not laws or rules but descriptions of how stuff behave. In fact, one will never be able to get rid of philosophy/metaphysics. Why? Because particle physics and all the sciences *assumes* metaphysics. In other words, when you say "there is no need for metaphysics because science can explain it all" you are making a metaphysical statement. There is no test you can do using the scientific method that could confirm this statement. Again this is because science assumes metaphysics. Simply be careful of going down the route of scientism, where one believes that the only way to come to true knowledge about the world around us if through science. (As that statement is self defeating as well.) So to sum up, philosophy and metaphysics are in no danger, and never will be :) Have a great night Per! Phil [/QUOTE]
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