Digidesign SC48

Jan 10, 2011
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After finishing an 8 week tour with a Digidesign SC48, I figured it would be a good time to write a review about the desk. Since it hasn't been on the market for a while, not a lot of people have gotten to play with them yet.

After spending 8 weeks out on the road with one, I absolutely love it. It's official, it's an M7CL killer. For just a few grand more, you get a desk that blows the M7CL away in almost every aspect. The only thing the M7 has on the SC48 is more physical faders. But, if you learn to lay your console out right, you really will never need or miss those extra faders. The foot print of the console is very similar to an M7CL. It's a littler heavier then an M7(thanks to all the onboard stuff).

The SC48 is packed full of features in a very little space. They really laid the console out nicely. Everything flows well, you don't have to really think to use the console. Everything is either labeled very clearly, or easily accessible on the board, rather then buried in menus.

The ''flex'' section of the console does everything you need it to do right there. The EQ, compressor, and gate sections are all color coded and very easy to use. I find the EQ section easier to use then the Profile. The on board compressors are very smooth, and very easy to get good results out of. You can literally run them into 20dB of gain reduction and not hear it. The gates are very reactive. Yes, you can get them to click at super fast speeds, but between the frequency keys and adjustable hold/release time, you really don't have to set them super tight to get the results you need. The built in stuff really sounds good enough, that I didn't find myself needing to use a ton of plug in's. Speaking of plug in's, you get 20 to choose from on the SC48. Not quite as many as a Profile, but still plenty to make it work.

If you can't do it with the on baord inserts, then you can really do it with the plug in's. What more could you ask for? Oh wait, how about the ability to record with protools straight off the console via firewire. I tracked 70% of our shows, and it was a super easy and straight forward process. And, it comes with the console! No external cards to buy, nothing to fuss with. Easy as pie!

Ok, but how's it sound? The desk itself is very, very clean. I ran my inputs HOT some nights, and you really couldn't even tell. The only time I could make a channel distort, is when I really ran it into solid red. Seeing red from time to time wasn't audible at all. As I said before, the compressors are very transparent. The only time I could really hear them is when I did a 20:1 ratio and jammed it about 30dB into reduction. Any form of ''normal'' usage will really make you wonder if the comp is really doing anything at all. You wont hear it, but the level will be nice and consistent.

How's the console respond when you load it down? Well, I like to ''fiddle'' with the opening band I mix. I ran all 20 plug in's, as many inserts as I could, and whatever else I could do. The SC48 just kept on chugging along, without any hesitation. Even loading the racks down didn't slow the scene changing. I had about 2 seconds of down time between pressing ''load'' and having audio again. I'd love to see a Yamaha console do that... Speaking of scenes, it doesn't get much better then the Digidesign software. They did it right when they designed their software.

How easy is it to use? Well, if you've mixed on any Digidesign console before, it's a breeze. It'll probably take you 5 minutes to get comfortable with the surface, and then it will be smooth sailing from there. We had a few shows on the tour with ''guest'' bands who had engineers that had never mixed on a DIgidesign desk. I gave them each the 7 minute overview of the console, watched them through line check, and they were good to go. Aside from a few minor questions during the show, they had no issues mixing and said they loved the board. It really is that easy.

How stable is it? Well, I had 2 issues the whole tour. Issue one was a bad mix engine. It took out 6 channels on the desk. I patched around them, had Digidesign come out to fix them and moved on with life. A week later, I had a complete console failure. I finished the show the night before, packed the desk up, and the next day I got nothing out of the board. I got to the ''venue software'' screen, but as soon as it went to read the hard discs, nothing. The hard drive went bad. It happens. Between Clair and Digidesign support, I had a brand new desk the next day. You really can't beat that. Other then that, the console was flawless. It never locked up during a show, and it never gave me any grief other then that. I would recommend it to anyone in a heart beat. I have nothing negative to say about the interaction of the desk. It's all super easy to use, and is laid out very well.

Overall, Digidesign really made a winner this time around. This is a great console all around that is really going to serve the market it was intended for well. It's an M7CL killer. Seriously. If you are thinking about buying an M7CL, save up for another week and buy an SC48. You won't regret it.

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Evan
 
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I no longer own an SC48, but this is a recent change. I owned one pretty much since its release and it was a great purchase.

It's an excellent console on a very stable platform. I never experienced any lock-ups or other show stopping issues.

The only problems I ever encountered were:

- once I had a very OLD showfile (as in like 2007) from the big D-Show console. It opened but some of the patching was a bit off.

- once I encountered a USB stick that when inserted, the console would not boot. Can't remember the brand, maybe Sandisk. Removal of the stick solved the issue. The stick worked fine, but for whatever reason something on it made the console want to boot from it rather than the internal HD. So I'd suggest not plugging in USB keys until AFTER you boot the console.

Those are 2 very minor issues, which actually says a lot about the quality of this console. It was a joy to work on, and it sounded excellent.

I'll miss owning one and look forward to any opportunity to mix on any of the Venue desks. They are my preferred digital desk at present time. (However I don't have any hands on time on Vi desks yet) I also really liked the Midas Pro6 when I played with one, but I have not used one on a show.
 
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Im a huge fan of the SC48 even though ive only used it a few times. Once in monitor world and 2 or 3 times out at FOH. Great console and I hope to add one to my collection in a year or two. Thanks for the review Evan!
 
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I have really enjoyed the couple of times I have gotten to use the SC48.

One thing that I liked was being able to make parameter changes with the keyboard, mouse, or the surface. I found the surface to be very intuitive as to where each control was.

As Evan said, a little of layout thought, and moving between the layers becomes simple. One thing I liked about the layers was using them to split the channels when doing monitors from FOH.

I found my best use of the flex or assignable fader was to lock the return of the vocal effects to it so I was able to easily turn them off in between songs regardless of where I was in the board.
 
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After spending 8 weeks out on the road with one, I absolutely love it. It's official, it's an M7CL killer.

How stable is it? Well, I had 2 issues the whole tour. Issue one was a bad mix engine. It took out 6 channels on the desk. I patched around them, had Digidesign come out to fix them and moved on with life. A week later, I had a complete console failure. I finished the show the night before, packed the desk up, and the next day I got nothing out of the board. I got to the ''venue software'' screen, but as soon as it went to read the hard discs, nothing. The hard drive went bad. It happens. Other then that, the console was flawless. It never locked up during a show, and it never gave me any grief other then that.

Evan

i read this review and was seriously considering looking at this desk until you got to this. in 8 weeks [at most, maybe 50 shows] you had 1 total console failure, and 1 very significant console failure. wow. maybe it's a generational thing and we're becoming more accustomed to computers crashing and the like, but where/when i come from this failure rate is totally unacceptable.

don't misunderstand me. i have tons of respect for you and your opinions on all things sound related, so don't take this as a dig. and i have no doubt that sonically and operationally this desk kills the M7. but where yamaha shines is that their stuff [pretty much] always works. and that gives us old paranoid sound guys a warm and fuzzy feeling that no amount of nifty plugins or awesome interfaces can equal...

of course, compared to what my old bulletproof analog rig cost, i suppose you could buy 3 of these and have 2 spares. so maybe i should shut up now... :)~:)~:smile:

anyway, just one old guys opinion. YM, as they say, MV...

brian
 
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''a complete console failure''! Did you have a back up console? Did the show go on? Just curious.
 
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Brian,

I've had about 200 shows behind the SC48 since that review, and those 2 are still my only failures to this date. That SC48 was one of the early production models, so I guess it had some bugs. I've had 0 issues since. I know a bunch of other guys touring with the SC48 as well, and they've had no issues.

Chuck,

I used the house H2k to do the show. We survived, but it wasn't a fun day.



Evan
 
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Chuck,

I used the house H2k to do the show. We survived, but it wasn't a fun day.

Evan

Which brings up this question:

If it's so much more work to use a house system with something on the level of an H2K, how much of the responsibility for the music migrated from the musicians to digital processing via the likes of the SC48? Other than having your shows loaded in memories which then need to be reconstituted, what makes it so much harder?

Just curious.
 
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Brian,

I've had about 200 shows behind the SC48 since that review, and those 2 are still my only failures to this date. That SC48 was one of the early production models, so I guess it had some bugs. I've had 0 issues since. I know a bunch of other guys touring with the SC48 as well, and they've had no issues.

Evan

i'd love it if you could keep us posted on it's continued good function. i'm looking for a desk to replace our aging a&h gl5000 at my church. the m7 was topping my list, but i don't want to be myopic about. i can understand early run failures. so long as they disappear fairly quickly...

thanks for doing my research for me. i'm especially fond of how much i've had to pay for it... :)~:)~:smile:

brian
 
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Dick,

I bet it was having to move the entire patch and routing over, then generate a mix from scratch on a non-zeroed desk.

Does this mean all patching was done before the SC48 was in position and powered up? I'm missing something.....

Dick,

As the band grows, starting from scratch each night becomes more of a challenge. We were 26 inputs during that tour, but now we're 48. Carrying a console keeps the mixes more consistent, allows the openers to have as many channels as they need, and in the event that the band doesn't sound check(it happens a lot), I have a good starting point from the previous night.

The Sc48 also allows me to do some creative routing for cool shit, allows me to copy channels so I can use them for different effects, and it gives me consistent effects every night. I'm actually not a huge plug in guy. Besides the 6 effects engines I run, I think I've got another 6-7 plug ins in use.

When we carry consoles, we carry all cabling too. Everything is multipin and it goes together pretty quick. It just makes life so much easier.


Evan
 
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Dick,

I bet it was having to move the entire patch and routing over, then generate a mix from scratch on a non-zeroed desk.

Does this mean all patching was done before the SC48 was in position and powered up? I'm missing something.....

Dick,

As the band grows, starting from scratch each night becomes more of a challenge. We were 26 inputs during that tour, but now we're 48. Carrying a console keeps the mixes more consistent, allows the openers to have as many channels as they need, and in the event that the band doesn't sound check(it happens a lot), I have a good starting point from the previous night.

The Sc48 also allows me to do some creative routing for cool shit, allows me to copy channels so I can use them for different effects, and it gives me consistent effects every night. I'm actually not a huge plug in guy. Besides the 6 effects engines I run, I think I've got another 6-7 plug ins in use.

When we carry consoles, we carry all cabling too. Everything is multipin and it goes together pretty quick. It just makes life so much easier.

Evan

That's why I'm thinking of going back to playing street music.
 
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It sure is obvious but I had not thought about a console having a disk drive in it. That has got to be the risky failure point. I get having disks in outboard stuff like computers or recording gear. I don't put my computer in the back of the truck and the disks for my recorder live in a very well padded case that travels up front with me too.
 
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It sure is obvious but I had not thought about a console having a disk drive in it. That has got to be the risky failure point. I get having disks in outboard stuff like computers or recording gear. I don't put my computer in the back of the truck and the disks for my recorder live in a very well padded case that travels up front with me too.

I'm not sure if any mixers have this yet but a few of the light boards that are based on standard computer hardware have switched over to using SSDs. The Chamsys line comes to mind but I am fairly certain there are others.
 
Re: Digidesign SC48 - the Out of the Box Experience

Hi everyone-

We got our first Digi/Avid product, an SC48, 2 days ago. Almost like a birthday, it was a fun 30 seconds unwrapping it!

Lots of kibbles and bits in the top tray for you to keep track of, including several packages of software, hardware, and small hardware items like the mouse tray, monitor support items and laptop tray. The assembly diagram presumes you have some idea of what fasteners fit which items, and the manual isn't terribly forthcoming about the order in which software needs to be installed. Let us deal with that issue first.

Our SC48 came with DShow 2.8.x installed, and CD wallets with both 2.8 and 2.9 discs. While not critical, do this update first. Then install the ECx. AVID's website says ECx is preserved if already installed, but it doesn't seem to work that way. Install the SC48 plugins from the CD as well as the ones on the console hard drive.

The 2.9.1 update package also comes with another CD of plugins. Don't bother installing them unless you have your own licenses, and then AYOR. The iLok that comes with the console does not hold licenses for this bundle and some of them require enough DSP resources that you may run out of DSP (or so the support guy told me). I really like the JoeMeek package (I own the hardware, too) so I might get licenses for it and see how much of a hog it is...

Unlike the Yammy M7, *nothing* is pre-configured in the SC48. You'll have to go to the Patchbay and assign your output buses to the physical outputs. Another difference is that AUX sends are not turned ON by default when you assign a plugin to the bus, nor are inserts turned ON when assigned. You have to do it manually. :blush:

So now it's time to play with the desk and the plugin packages. I'll add more to the review as I have more time and a couple of gigs, and get into the various features that make the D-Show software features indispensable for some and a PITA for others.

Have fun, good luck.

Tim Mc
 
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Even loading the racks down didn't slow the scene changing. I had about 2 seconds of down time between pressing ''load'' and having audio again. I'd love to see a Yamaha console do that...

Are you saying that it takes the SC48 up to 2 seconds to load each scene? In my experience, every Yamaha console that I've ever worked on has loaded each scene change instantly (or as near to instantly as I can measure in human time).

We had a show come through fro Christmas 2009 that had an SC48. They had been out on the road for a month, month and a half maybe, and were on their thrid hard drive.

The only real complaint that I have with the Venue consoles is the overly complicated process for assigning channels to DCA groups.
 
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Evan is referring to the time it takes for the DShow software to "rebuild" the console and return to show mode after you exit the CONFIG mode. The Yamaha analogy would be loading a new configuration from a USB stick or memory card. It takes between 15 - 30 seconds (sometimes a little more) to load an M7C file and get audio back. That's what Evan is comparing to.
 
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The usual complaint I hear about all of the Digidesign (Avid) consoles is the build quality. In my experience, I've sent back 3 Profile surfaces day of show for issues that I considered show-killers. I also had a Mix Rack out on a tour that seemed to just shed screws. After losing most of the panel ones and still continuing to find more on the base of its roadcase, I just assumed it was slowly disassembling itself from the inside.
 
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Are you saying that it takes the SC48 up to 2 seconds to load each scene? In my experience, every Yamaha console that I've ever worked on has loaded each scene change instantly (or as near to instantly as I can measure in human time).

We had a show come through fro Christmas 2009 that had an SC48. They had been out on the road for a month, month and a half maybe, and were on their thrid hard drive.

The only real complaint that I have with the Venue consoles is the overly complicated process for assigning channels to DCA groups.

That seems like a lot of drives to go through. We just had our first hard drive failure, and it was in our older D-Show, bought in 2007 I believe. We (now) carry a spare drive with each console preloaded with all the software. Perhaps the shock mounting in the SC48 isn't as robust as the rack units.

I think assigning the DCA (VCA) is extremely easy. Press the assign button, select the VCA, select your channels, press the assign button once more and done.