Baby Presonus
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Cool, another mediocre non-motorized fader home studio/bar band mixer trying to pass itself off as a Pro level digital console. But hey, at least it has a Firewire card. :roll:
It's still probably going to cost twice what it's worth.
Cool, another mediocre non-motorized fader home studio/bar band mixer trying to pass itself off as a Pro level digital console. But hey, at least it has a Firewire card. :roll:
It's still probably going to cost twice what it's worth.
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I think it's great. More competition is a good thing. Technology is there to make a new version of the 01v96 or similar, but the market was pretty small and competition was low. As the market grows (whether consumer, prosumer, etc) the incentive and need to introduce something new will come along.
If small digital consoles become 'mainstream', a value leader like the Mix Wiz is bound to emerge. The 01v96 is pretty dated if you think about it!
I think it's great. More competition is a good thing. Technology is there to make a new version of the 01v96 or similar, but the market was pretty small and competition was low. As the market grows (whether consumer, prosumer, etc) the incentive and need to introduce something new will come along.
If small digital consoles become 'mainstream', a value leader like the Mix Wiz is bound to emerge. The 01v96 is pretty dated if you think about it!
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I agree that more competition in this market is better, and sorely needed. I don't see Presonus consoles as competing with the 01V96.
Aside from the mono chrome display, what exactly is dated on the 01V96? I would gladly buy a new one today if I had the money, and I wouldn't think twice about not looking at the Presonus consoles.
I agree that more competition in this market is better, and sorely needed. I don't see Presonus consoles as competing with the 01V96.
Tim Weaver
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I honestly don't even mind the display on my 01v96. If they come out with an update for the 01, I'd like to see 16 onboard pre's, 8 omni outs on XLR, and the ability to assign a tap sync.
You're right. Having mixed on both consoles there is really no comparison. Hell, with the Yamaha, you get 4 real FX modules. That alone is worth more than the whole presonus put together!
I honestly don't even mind the display on my 01v96. If they come out with an update for the 01, I'd like to see 16 onboard pre's, 8 omni outs on XLR, and the ability to assign a tap sync.
You're right. Having mixed on both consoles there is really no comparison. Hell, with the Yamaha, you get 4 real FX modules. That alone is worth more than the whole presonus put together!
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Or the DM 1000.
I'm honestly surprised the DM 1000 isn't more common, it has all the stuff most people miss on the 01v96. If it only had more than 8 auxes...:roll:
Or the DM 1000.
I'm honestly surprised the DM 1000 isn't more common, it has all the stuff most people miss on the 01v96. If it only had more than 8 auxes...:roll:
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Ever used one in bright sunlight?
Only 12 preamps onboard is a little 1990's, don't you think?
The 01v96 allows you to do some pretty amazing things considering it's size and price, but working fast on it is a little "fiddly". For instance, consoles that come out today generally have dedicated knobs and buttons for stuff like editing dynamics.
Ever used one in bright sunlight?
Only 12 preamps onboard is a little 1990's, don't you think?
The 01v96 allows you to do some pretty amazing things considering it's size and price, but working fast on it is a little "fiddly". For instance, consoles that come out today generally have dedicated knobs and buttons for stuff like editing dynamics.
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The DM1000 is an amazing little mixer that can do heaps with the right expansion cards. It's days are numbered, though.
My Digital Crystal Ball™ says we'll see Yamaha introduce 3 tiers of new digital mixing products, the first one will be be the PM1D replacement followed by the low end tier that replaces their current mid/low line analog mixers. The mid-tier will be phased in as they probably aren't ready to obsolete the M7 or LS/9 platforms just yet (firmware updates and new features before EOL), and the PM5d market still exists. WAVES new Yamaha interfaces (and derivative devices TBA) will be the de facto plug-in architecture. Ethersound will be the native transport system, with Mini-YGDAI cards to interface with the rest of the world (AES/EBU, Dante, local-surface analog i/o). It will probably begin this year.
The DCB also says people will still say "it sounds like a Yamaha" no matter what it sounds like. Ooops, there goes the reception.... I guess I need an outdoor antenna for this thing....
Nudge, wink.
Tim Mc
The DM1000 is an amazing little mixer that can do heaps with the right expansion cards. It's days are numbered, though.
My Digital Crystal Ball™ says we'll see Yamaha introduce 3 tiers of new digital mixing products, the first one will be be the PM1D replacement followed by the low end tier that replaces their current mid/low line analog mixers. The mid-tier will be phased in as they probably aren't ready to obsolete the M7 or LS/9 platforms just yet (firmware updates and new features before EOL), and the PM5d market still exists. WAVES new Yamaha interfaces (and derivative devices TBA) will be the de facto plug-in architecture. Ethersound will be the native transport system, with Mini-YGDAI cards to interface with the rest of the world (AES/EBU, Dante, local-surface analog i/o). It will probably begin this year.
The DCB also says people will still say "it sounds like a Yamaha" no matter what it sounds like. Ooops, there goes the reception.... I guess I need an outdoor antenna for this thing....
Nudge, wink.
Tim Mc
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Don't get me wrong, I love the 01v96. I've got two of them! It's not a features thing for me, but rather an ease of use issue.
My main complaint is that the user interface is overly complex for many users, which prevents widespread adoption. For example, many production companies only implement digital at the higher end (Ie M7 and up, maybe LS9), while the smaller stuff is still done by analogue mixers. This is true of installs as well. The result is that many of the events which are well suited to the 01v96 end up requiring something else because not everyone knows how to use them thanks to their relative rarity out in the wild. This requires that I keep a Mix Wiz and Crest XRM and all the associated outboard, and even occasionally that I cross-rent a larger analogue mixer. Convergence of analogue and digital are inevitable, but the interface will have to be friendlier. Yes, the 'real' pro's often know how to use them, as do many guys with backgrounds on the various Yamaha stuff (02r, 03d, etc). I still think there is room for progress in the $2500 digital mixer market though. Behringer obviously thinks so as well, otherwise they wouldn't be cornering the market. I guess we'll see what the future holds...
Don't get me wrong, I love the 01v96. I've got two of them! It's not a features thing for me, but rather an ease of use issue.
My main complaint is that the user interface is overly complex for many users, which prevents widespread adoption. For example, many production companies only implement digital at the higher end (Ie M7 and up, maybe LS9), while the smaller stuff is still done by analogue mixers. This is true of installs as well. The result is that many of the events which are well suited to the 01v96 end up requiring something else because not everyone knows how to use them thanks to their relative rarity out in the wild. This requires that I keep a Mix Wiz and Crest XRM and all the associated outboard, and even occasionally that I cross-rent a larger analogue mixer. Convergence of analogue and digital are inevitable, but the interface will have to be friendlier. Yes, the 'real' pro's often know how to use them, as do many guys with backgrounds on the various Yamaha stuff (02r, 03d, etc). I still think there is room for progress in the $2500 digital mixer market though. Behringer obviously thinks so as well, otherwise they wouldn't be cornering the market. I guess we'll see what the future holds...
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"I don't see Presonus consoles as competing with the 01V96.'
For someone who doesn't give a shit, you sure seem riled there J. The new Behringers might cause you a ruckus too. Don't blow a heart valve. Remember, this is the "ankle biter" part of soundforum. Few are worthy.
"I don't see Presonus consoles as competing with the 01V96.'
For someone who doesn't give a shit, you sure seem riled there J. The new Behringers might cause you a ruckus too. Don't blow a heart valve. Remember, this is the "ankle biter" part of soundforum. Few are worthy.
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I've owned both the 01V and Presonus 16.4.2 and certainly the 01V has more capabilities. But if I still had both consoles 9 times out of 10 I'd take the Presonus for the types of small gigs they're appropriate for. It's just easy to use, fast to get around on and has that super handy recording feature that I can make a few extra bucks on the show with. There were even some times when I owned both the Presonus and an SC48 and took out the Presonus because it was convenient and perfectly capable of doing a good job.
Never once have I really missed the motorized faders with the Studiolive. It is what it is. If the feature set is what you need great. If not, buy something else. You could do A LOT worse than a Studiolive.
I've owned both the 01V and Presonus 16.4.2 and certainly the 01V has more capabilities. But if I still had both consoles 9 times out of 10 I'd take the Presonus for the types of small gigs they're appropriate for. It's just easy to use, fast to get around on and has that super handy recording feature that I can make a few extra bucks on the show with. There were even some times when I owned both the Presonus and an SC48 and took out the Presonus because it was convenient and perfectly capable of doing a good job.
Never once have I really missed the motorized faders with the Studiolive. It is what it is. If the feature set is what you need great. If not, buy something else. You could do A LOT worse than a Studiolive.
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I will be very interested to see what this costs. Looks like a 12 channel mixer with full EQ and dynamics in the space of a Mackie 1604... I may hate the UI, but in that format I'd rather have the features. Does anyone else make anything like this, regardless of price?
I will be very interested to see what this costs. Looks like a 12 channel mixer with full EQ and dynamics in the space of a Mackie 1604... I may hate the UI, but in that format I'd rather have the features. Does anyone else make anything like this, regardless of price?
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If by this you mean 19" rack mount with 12 faders - from Dan's thread in Varsity:
http://www.digico.biz/docs2/latest_news/EFpkpypkyFVVqGcfNH.shtml
If by this you mean 19" rack mount with 12 faders - from Dan's thread in Varsity:
http://www.digico.biz/docs2/latest_news/EFpkpypkyFVVqGcfNH.shtml
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It looks to be considerably smaller than a rack mount mixer, although Presonus states it is QQQQxQQQQxQQQQ, so who knows.
It looks to be considerably smaller than a rack mount mixer, although Presonus states it is QQQQxQQQQxQQQQ, so who knows.
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At least we know it is a perfect cube in shape - we just don't know the unit conversion between QQQQs and inches yet.
At least we know it is a perfect cube in shape - we just don't know the unit conversion between QQQQs and inches yet.
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Not that it's what your asking, but I thought I'd mention the very cool little Edirol digital mixers. Thay're made like the traditional "mixpads" in the sense that they'll work just like a little Tapco/Behringer/whatever analog mixpad, but if the operator is into a little menudiving there's actually a lot of cool stuff to tweak like fully parametric mid, fx section, library, etc. The "big" brother (8 proper channels IIRC) even comes with a digital snake as standard!
Not that it's what your asking, but I thought I'd mention the very cool little Edirol digital mixers. Thay're made like the traditional "mixpads" in the sense that they'll work just like a little Tapco/Behringer/whatever analog mixpad, but if the operator is into a little menudiving there's actually a lot of cool stuff to tweak like fully parametric mid, fx section, library, etc. The "big" brother (8 proper channels IIRC) even comes with a digital snake as standard!
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Edit: Never mind, I thought you meant the Digico looked to be smaller than 19"!
"The SD11 will be unveiled at DiGiCo’s stands 8.0 F60 and G56 and is designed to be equally at home as a desktop console or mounted in a 19” rack. By simply removing the end cheeks and arm rest, 19” rack fixings are revealed, making it straightforward to incorporate the SD11 into any touring or installation environment."
Edit: Never mind, I thought you meant the Digico looked to be smaller than 19"!
"The SD11 will be unveiled at DiGiCo’s stands 8.0 F60 and G56 and is designed to be equally at home as a desktop console or mounted in a 19” rack. By simply removing the end cheeks and arm rest, 19” rack fixings are revealed, making it straightforward to incorporate the SD11 into any touring or installation environment."
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I can't tell you how much I want this console to be under the $3,000 price point. It's wishful think I know, but I one of these days, one of these companies is going to hit the price/feature ratio and finally replace the 01V96.
I can't tell you how much I want this console to be under the $3,000 price point. It's wishful think I know, but I one of these days, one of these companies is going to hit the price/feature ratio and finally replace the 01V96.
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Don't forget the Cadac DM1600/Studiomaster Digilive 16. Last info I got was the Cadac was going to be in the $8,000 to $9,000 range. Who knows how much the same console with the Studiomaster color scheme is going to be...
It appears that we are finally seeing some low end entry digital consoles make it onto the market. I just wish the price point was lower.
Don't forget the Cadac DM1600/Studiomaster Digilive 16. Last info I got was the Cadac was going to be in the $8,000 to $9,000 range. Who knows how much the same console with the Studiomaster color scheme is going to be...
It appears that we are finally seeing some low end entry digital consoles make it onto the market. I just wish the price point was lower.