Advice with vehicle upgrade

Jan 14, 2011
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I considered posting in the Lounge but this isn't explicitly audio related.

My AV business is at the point where I have enough cash flow to make the equipment upgrades I need, but the only thing that prevents me from taking more gigs is the lack of another vehicle. Currently I'm doing everything with a 2002 ford e250, but I'm starting to get anxious about it.


--For most of the gigs I do, it's usually too big. The terrible gas mileage is not worth how little equipment I am usually carrying on SOS gigs.
--Loading in at hotels or anywhere with only truck-level docks is a major PITA. I end up using a DIY 8-foot ramp that is very heavy and hard to find room for in the van after it's been packed.
--Various obstacles in the van's cargo area--wheel wells, step-down gap along the side door--turn the process of loading roadcases with casters into a nightmare.
--It has E-track only on half of the van's interior.
--It is difficult to secure against the ambitions of opportunistic crackheads prowling my neighborhood at night with crowbar in hand.

In light of the above, I want to move to a solution that involves
1) For basic SOS gigs and personal use, leasing a lighter utility vehicle with better gas mileage that can be loaded by hand, and
2) purchasing a 16' box truck with liftgate for any time I'm moving subwoofers or cases on casters, and to futher anticipate the company's expansion

Are there any particular non-cargo van vehicles that you would recommend? Honda Element?
What do I need to consider with a box truck? Is cab-over style better than having a van/truck cab?

Any advice appreciated, thanks everybody!
 
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On the truck end of things, GVW is a factor to consider. A 16' box full of audio (or lighting) gear gets heavy fast, almost certainly putting you above what an e350 (or equivalent) chassis can handle, especially with the weight of the truck box and liftgate. Cab-over is a personal preference (and availability) thing, but I think it's a bit easier to drive in the city.

On the smaller vehicle end of things, you want something that can fit a full-size handtruck. This means a hatchback, wagon, or SUV. Plenty of options in those vehicle classes, although the Ford Transit Connect is of note as it's available with a cargo body.
 
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Until I find a Freightliner Argosy straight truck available to rent I'll stick with conventional.
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As to specific models, I've have actually become quite fond of the International Dura Star 4300's lately.
 
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Look at dodge/benz sprinter vans. full-size cargo model rivals a box truck in payload capability yet gets better mileage than the full-size domestic vans.
Unfortunately parking-structures are not going to fit, but they wouldn't for a box-truck either.
The Astro van that Mark referred to was an awesome product for our industry but in typical GM fashion they discontinued and don't have a modern equiv. Definitly a viable option if your a gearhead or have a decent mechanic who can keep it running reliably.
I still love my '91 econoline club-wagon but wowza is it ever getting expensive to drive!
I did see a cool RV the other day I would consider as I'm sick of the box-truck fee/license gestapo here in CA and something like this wouldn't have to hit every damn scale and inspection (really just kidding as I know the ramifications -but fun thoughts nonetheless!)
http://www.haulmarkmotorcoach.com/motor-garage/
 
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Totally impractical but coooooooool:

http://sportchassis.com/#
Your post may be useful, as in: Source the complete opposite of that, and chances are it will be a good business workhorse... something: "completely practical but admittedly: "very appliance like"" (too bad Westinghouse or Clark doesn't make work vehicles).

Admittedly, there's a point to looking good in traffic... so-long as the customer is looking and will spend more if they're impressed.
 
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Buy a small car that'll work for your small shows. Rent a truck and bill it to your clients on the bigger shows. Maintaining trucks sucks.


Evan

Agree here... Anytime I have a show that is bigger than my Chevy Express ('06 Diesel, Extended version) and 5x8 trailer... I rent a box truck from Penske.

My van averages 16mpg (no trailer); (2 - QRx212, 4-6 SRx718s, 2 – Amp racks of IT & XTi, 150’-32x8 snake, 5 MRX512, LS9-32 plus other junk).
 
Re: Advice with vehicle upgrade

Buy a small car that'll work for your small shows. Rent a truck and bill it to your clients on the bigger shows. Maintaining trucks sucks.


Evan

I continuously amaze people with the amount of sound I can provide with what fits in a 2000 Honda Accord 4 door. Obviously no "sub intensive" shows but jazz, folk and "soft" pop, weddings etc. in venues holding up to 700 people.
 
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I did see a cool RV the other day I would consider as I'm sick of the box-truck fee/license gestapo here in CA and something like this wouldn't have to hit every damn scale and inspection (really just kidding as I know the ramifications -but fun thoughts nonetheless!)
http://www.haulmarkmotorcoach.com/motor-garage/
along those lines, I've been hauling around a decent sized gig worth of gear with my camper this summer, pulling a trailer. I pull a 16ft. tandem axel trailer like "it isn't back there" with the camper... and the bays in my Newell 43ft. camper offer quite a bit of space.

Trouble is: parking the approx. 65ft. bumper to bumper worth of rig.

Plus side seems to be the AARP lobbying force concerning old folks campers (license and insurance is dirt cheap considering the tonnage).
 
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I'm still using my '92 Ford Aerostar for the small gigs. I really wish they had not discontinued this. Lots of space, 24 MPG, parks in a compact car spot and RWD which I still prefer. Now that I've picked up a StudioLive console I can probably get by replacing it with a VW wagon.
 
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I LOVE my honda element. I get 22-24 highway. I can fit 2 qsc k12, 2 k10 monitors (in hard cases) a small sub, xlr, ac, stands, 2 light trees, ls9, extra monitors as needed etc. You do have to keep your gear on the lighter side as weight is the biggest limiting factor. Even better is the completely flat floor that I can roll speaker cases right into. I like driving it during the week, and its easy to park. For a small multi functional vehicle its just fantastic.
 
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This goes with the truck thing,
My Day job is for a company that does all it's own trucking, owning a fleet of 10 full size box trucks. I sit next to Dispatch and Logistics and it's given me a little bit of an insight into the true hell of maintaining trucks on the road when they are used for business. To start with weight, being overweight, trucks breaking down, getting pulled over, hours on the road, etc etc. The fact is you will spend more time and money dealing with a truck you own than it's worth. You can get stopped for 10 times more things and the penalties can be much more strict. If you get pulled over driving a truck that has "Joe's Sound Company" on the door, It's much more of a hassle for you than if you get pulled over driving a truck that says Ryder or Penskee on the side of the truck.
Don't buy a truck unless you have an extra full time employee you aren't using to dedicate to the care and logistics of the truck. Just rent one when you need it. With rental you also get the added value of not having to worry if something goes wrong and with companies like ryder, in no time you're back on the road in a new truck when the worst happens.
If you really do need a truck all the time look into leasing through someone though, Ryder is I believe the biggest or second biggest and has facilities in every state for when things happen.
that's my $0.02
 
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If you get pulled over driving a truck that has "Joe's Sound Company" on the door, It's much more of a hassle for you than if you get pulled over driving a truck that says Ryder or Penske on the side of the truck.
This reminds me of an important point. Unless you want your truck broken into use initials or an acronym on the door with your D.O.T. number and city.
 
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I LOVE my honda element. I get 22-24 highway. I can fit 2 qsc k12, 2 k10 monitors (in hard cases) a small sub, xlr, ac, stands, 2 light trees, ls9, extra monitors as needed etc. You do have to keep your gear on the lighter side as weight is the biggest limiting factor. Even better is the completely flat floor that I can roll speaker cases right into. I like driving it during the week, and its easy to park. For a small multi functional vehicle its just fantastic.

This is why I mourn the demise of the Aerostar. I can get 3x that much gear into the Aerostar, have a usable curb door which easily takes a ramp at a low angle and STILL get 24 mpg on the road.......
 
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element is great; the flat plastic floor makes it easy to slide things in. at one time, was able to get 2 HPR122i's, 3 SRM450s, EWI mixer/ 6=space rack combo, EWI M40 cable trunk, and a Fender Bandmaster combo as well as 2 guitars, pedalboard, stands, etc. Mine's a 2003 with 103K on it; it only gets around 16MPG but I also do mostly stop and go driving.

Now if our drummer would get an Element... Every show, it's 2 trips; one for his DW 6-piece kit, one for the rest of the stuff... and he has an Acura sedan that won't fit all his stuff.