Desolder Rig / Unbelievable Hamhandedness

Re: Desolder Rig / Unbelievable Hamhandedness

We have a nice Hakko soldering station, but would like to complement that with a desolder pump for this project. Anyone have a favorite? What do you think of bulb type vs. the electric pump type?

Take one of those big 300W irons, heat up the solder, and hit the PCB on the table top. :razz:
 
Re: Desolder Rig / Unbelievable Hamhandedness

Hi Guys - been too busy to post in a long time!

So, at a strike the other night, I had a new guy strip the cables from the speaker rig. Didn't even ask him to coil them. What could go wrong? Here's what: He could break EVERY SINGLE in and out speakon on EVERY SINGLE CABINET by using two hands to wrench the speakons out without pulling the release tab.

No one saw it happen; didn't discover it until the next gig when half the cables dropped out of the air during sound check.

These are old all-plastic NL4s, before Neutrik added little metal plates to the locking channels.

So, now I've got twenty cabinets that need new NL4 and NL8 jacks, times two. We have a nice Hakko soldering station, but would like to complement that with a desolder pump for this project. Anyone have a favorite? What do you think of bulb type vs. the electric pump type?

Thanks. Keep an eye on your newbies.

For getting the job done, your best bet is probably a $5 solder sucker.
 
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Because on the Nexo Alphas, the NL4 are soldered directly to PCBs on the back of the input panel. The PCBs link the speakon jacks (nl4 and nl8) and hold the Connectors for the drivers.

YIKES! I feel your pain on that one. Makes ya wanna put that fellow to work with a solder sucker if you think you could trust him to not screw something else up.
 
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How big we talking? The biggest shows I've done use about 20 hands. The policy is working fine so far. :D~:-D~:grin:

To each his own. I made it a personal mission never to pull feeder again by the time I turned 30. Does that count as cables?

As I said in my first post: Keep an eye on your newbies. I assumed just a little too much about how much trouble a reasonable person could get into on his own. :)
 
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With the wrong 20 hands, anything can go wrong.

I've got a little speech I give when I get my audio hands... part of it includes "nothing should require the use of any tools, nothing should require force. If you think it should, come and get me."

I never have local hands mate up audio mults other than speaker cables. I'll have them run the cables, etc., but I make the connections. I always demonstrate how to mate and unmate an NL connector, but a couple months ago I failed to mention the "big tab, little tab" and had a guy plug an NL4 upside-down. On a monitor, we caught it right away, but it made me put "keyway orientation" into the speech.
 
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I never have local hands mate up audio mults other than speaker cables. I'll have them run the cables, etc., but I make the connections.

This. And near the top of me list on any out is to go to every connector and unhook it. I leave the cable for the hands to deal with, but I'll know the connectors will still work on the next gig.

Yes, I've had people unscrew the back of male Neutrik XLRs and leave a snake box full of 'plugged in' shells.
 
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This. And near the top of me list on any out is to go to every connector and unhook it. I leave the cable for the hands to deal with, but I'll know the connectors will still work on the next gig.

Yes, I've had people unscrew the back of male Neutrik XLRs and leave a snake box full of 'plugged in' shells.

Absolutely +1

First thing I do at any strike is to unplug everything. Makes it easier to coil cables without having to track down where they go, and when ambitious hands decide to unstack the PA or remove the subs without unplugging things first, they won't break all the connectors (I have had that happen).

I will allow hands to pull cables out of corners and put them in piles, but no one coils anything unless they can prove to me that they can over/under. Even then, I have a pretty strict standard of coil diameters and such that few guys can handle, so I usually end up doing most of it.

Hands do, however, get to deal with feeder cable. Lee, just like you, I don't pull or coil feeder!
 
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Absolutely +1

First thing I do at any strike is to unplug everything. Makes it easier to coil cables without having to track down where they go, and when ambitious hands decide to unstack the PA or remove the subs without unplugging things first, they won't break all the connectors (I have had that happen).

I will allow hands to pull cables out of corners and put them in piles, but no one coils anything unless they can prove to me that they can over/under. Even then, I have a pretty strict standard of coil diameters and such that few guys can handle, so I usually end up doing most of it.

Hands do, however, get to deal with feeder cable. Lee, just like you, I don't pull or coil feeder!

Silas.

At some point you may find yourself in a position where so many people actually rely on your leadership and desicion-making that the only way you'll have time to unplug and coil everything at a gig by yourself is to have everyone stand and wait around for you. This gets very expensive and very late.
 
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Silas.

At some point you may find yourself in a position where so many people actually rely on your leadership and desicion-making that the only way you'll have time to unplug and coil everything at a gig by yourself is to have everyone stand and wait around for you. This gets very expensive and very late.

So what do you do when the hands coil everything over/over and literally destroy all your cables? Which costs more, an extra half hour of load-out or replacing/fixing thousands of dollars of cable?

I sure don't work big shows like many people on this forum, but I'm pretty happy with how I run things at the level of shows I'm doing.
 
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I've got a little speech I give when I get my audio hands... part of it includes "nothing should require the use of any tools, nothing should require force. If you think it should, come and get me."

This reminds me of a show where during the setup 3 hands were gathered around the light box for a fiber curtain trying to connect it. The two pieces just did not fit together, so one guy pulls out his leatherman and is about to FILE down the machined aluminum piece to MAKE it fit!
Fortunately I was able to point out that the aluminum didn't have a scratch on it, so clearly they've never had to force it in on any of the previous shows.. let's all just leave it here and move onto something else mkay?
Turns out they had a curtain on each side of the stage and each connector was a slightly different diameter :) I can't even imagine the wrath that would have ensued if this guy had even attempted to make it fit

Jason
 
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just another in the list of life's trials I'm glad I'll never have to deal with. You're handling it with better humor than I could. Good on you and thanks for the answer.
 
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I once caught a couple of horn player, who were honestly trying to be helpful at teardown, behind a ground stack with a pair of vice-grips about two seconds away from ripping out six speakon connectors. The vice-grips were already tightened around the first connector.
 
Re: Desolder Rig / Unbelievable Hamhandedness

So what do you do when the hands coil everything over/over and literally destroy all your cables? Which costs more, an extra half hour of load-out or replacing/fixing thousands of dollars of cable?

I sure don't work big shows like many people on this forum, but I'm pretty happy with how I run things at the level of shows I'm doing.

As a point of reference one of the last arena/shed tours I did we had an 8 person audio staff, including the two guys in the remote truck and a call of 12, just for audio. I divided them into two teams of four and two teams of two. The two person teams worked with each side of our main arrays with our crew, one four person team on stage and mons and the final four person team with me doing FOH mix, distro, truck interface and rear hang when we were inside. There is no way you can put up rigs that big without delegating the work. Like the guys say, have them lay out the cable, and your crew make the connections though at the level we were working, by and large most of the locals were easily able to make the connections. The secret is in delegation and supervision and being exactly specific on what you need done. Locally and regionally it may be more difficult than nationally but given some practice and direction it can work.
 
Re: Desolder Rig / Unbelievable Hamhandedness

So what do you do when the hands coil everything over/over and literally destroy all your cables? Which costs more, an extra half hour of load-out or replacing/fixing thousands of dollars of cable?

I sure don't work big shows like many people on this forum, but I'm pretty happy with how I run things at the level of shows I'm doing.

Basically I have found two statements to be very applicable when worrying about things like this:

1). "Relax".
2). "Choose your battles".

1). At some point it's cheaper to accept a ruined mic cable or XLR shell than saving that item by having labour or clients wait for you. Besides that, high quality mic cables etc won't be destroyed after being coiled over-over one time or three. Many people do it for years and years. Look at musos who always coil over their elbow: I'm staggered at how well some of their stuff holds up...
I used to aim for a perfect-looking mic cable box also, but at some point I just decided that I'd rather have a few tricky cables or make a repair once in a while at the warehouse than to have an ulcer. There's such a thing as a "spares box" and some things can be delegated to dry rentals where nobody coils the cables anyways.
If I see people start doing something way wrong at a gig I'll either teach them right there or I delegate them to something else and have someone else do the original task. By not being 110% immersed in doing every little thing by myself I manage the gig better by being observant and catching these things. Sometimes, if something's kinda sloppy I'll just stick it on top in the work box and think "I'll be redeployed in 14 hours anyway, we'll recoil it at tear-down tomorrow ":) Relax - I'll be allright :)

2). Oversee the really vulnerable stuff 100% and don't be a nit-picker with all the other stuff. Unless I'm working with skilled labour I oversee coiling any big multicore, casing the consoles, dropping wind-up stuff that's in the air and counting mics that may be lost. Routine tasks I try to delegate after having "shown them one" (think: Press this tab to release, rotate counter-clockwise, don't lift this lamp by the moving head, etc). Choose your battles.





PS: I have found that making cases and packing systems such that there is ony one way that will "work" really helps, too. Monitor wedges that will only fit in the cases in one orientation. Mic stand box that won't house the stands unless completely folded down. Also: Using lots of robust mults with breakouts and shorter individual cables seems to help. Often these individual cables can be attached permanently in the back of whatever rack their coming out of, so that they may in worst case just be dropped into the back of the case before being lidded. I have found that it helps to have as few "loose" items as possible as it is both easier to figure out what goes with what as well making it harder to leave stuff behind.
 
Re: Desolder Rig / Unbelievable Hamhandedness

Yes, I've had people unscrew the back of male Neutrik XLRs and leave a snake box full of 'plugged in' shells.

That's a pretty good one.

In the last fifteen years, My favorites are either:

A tv truck pull away with the cameras still connected.

Or

A band truck that had the bottom of the backdrop tied off to its bumper pull away from an outdoor stage, taking the upstage 96k truss with it.

Neither were my gigs, so... Given the options, some busted speakons don't sound so bad!