Behringer P16 versus Aviom

Juergen Riemann

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Does anyone have experience with the new Behringer P16 personal mixer system? I am considering buying one and like to hear opinions. Some people say it is better than Aviom. Thanks
 
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Eww, thread necro.


Tomorrow will be my first use of a P16 system. I installed and function checked it on Wednesday of this week. Figured I would resurrect this thread to boost my post count some. Finally found something my input wouldn't be totally useless for.
 
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Thanks for the late response I have bought the behringer some time ago and can say it is better. The p16 has full functional channel strips for each of the 16 channels incl three band parametric eq and a useful limiter to protect ears. P16 has midi which avoim has not.
Also the aviom is made out of plastic and the p16 is metal... oh and its one third of the price.
 
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Interesting note we found during sound check. My lead singer is using the P16 with Shure PSM200 wireless IEMs. He tells me that when he uses the Left/mono output of the P16 to feed the transmitter the level is significantly lower than if he uses the headphone out to feed it. I saw a lightbulb go off and he said that explains why signal disappeared when everything was panned center. But I wonder why signal level would be so much lower out of the separate left right outputs than e headphone outs?
 
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Caleb is exactly right, the headphone output is WAY louder than the line outputs...

That's one reason the p16-m is better, you can hookup your wireless IEM's to it without distortion (like with the aviom's, unless you use the rack mount version with remote at 3x the price of the a-16ii. Ouch! Plus- much less hiss because your not going through the HP amp and in essence, back down to line level again to get into the line-in of your wireless IEM transmitter.

The info I hear from the guys that have used both (and many other systems), is that the aviom sounds funky and wierd, and the p16-m sounds very clean and clear, much more like the quality of the Roland M-48 (of course, without all the bells and whistles of the M-48...).

Sorry if I come off biased, I guess that sometimes that's what we may do best... :)
 
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Both the Aviom and Behringer have standard RJ45s. Those break in time. The new Aviom A360, Roland and Allen & Heath units have Ethercons, which force people into using better cables which last much longer, and the jacks do not break off when the cables are stepped on.

As a point of clarification, Ethercon panel mounts do not require the use of a mating cable Ethercon cable. A regular 8P8C connector works fine.
 
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Interesting note we found during sound check. My lead singer is using the P16 with Shure PSM200 wireless IEMs. He tells me that when he uses the Left/mono output of the P16 to feed the transmitter the level is significantly lower than if he uses the headphone out to feed it. I saw a lightbulb go off and he said that explains why signal disappeared when everything was panned center. But I wonder why signal level would be so much lower out of the separate left right outputs than e headphone outs?

Because it's a headphone amplifier. Much more output than a regular line out. But usually more distortion as well.

Mick Berg.
 
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I own 15 p16s that I use almost every night. I owned a 10 pc aviom system and a 10pc hearback system before that. very very very happy with the behringers. So happy that ive sold the avioms and havent looked back. been using them since september...got the first shipment from sweetwater. My gripes are 1:the silkscreened txt is tiny. i know they changed this in the new runs but it still isnt great. 2: gain structuring for the less informed can be difficult. Especially since they have a "main" bus that has its own volume in addition to the master volume...but overall cleaner fuller sound than the avioms.
 
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I'll say the Behringer P16 is more solid built than the Aviom. And i do agree with Shy Clyman that the Behringer P16 has an overall fuller sound than aviom.
 
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Only gripe so far with Behringer vs Aviom: wish the P16 input module had thru connections like the AN-16i.

My drummer is over the moon happy with the P16. We've got the input, router, and three mixers for a little more than the cost of the AN-16i. Can't beat the price.
 
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Only gripe so far with Behringer vs Aviom: wish the P16 input module had thru connections like the AN-16i.

My drummer is over the moon happy with the P16. We've got the input, router, and three mixers for a little more than the cost of the AN-16i. Can't beat the price.

Hi Jeff,

I'm pleased to hear your getting on well with the P16 system. Thank you for your continued support of our products it is very much appreciated. I see you mention in your post the lack of a THRU on the P16i, whats you intended application for this? maybe there's another way we can help you achieve your goal? feel free to contact me here or PM me if you prefer and we can discuss the finer details.

Kind Regards
Jim Knowles
CARE EMEA / Tech Support
MUSIC Group / BEHRINGER
 
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With a thru connection I could use insert points from the mixer to provide inputs to the P16 system, rather than being limited to outputs only. Some mixers do not provide direct outs on all channels.

Very minor, plenty of work arounds, hasn't stopped me from doing anything I want to do yet. It's just one option the Aviom ($1100) offers that the Behringer ($300) does not. I'm happy to have the option available to me to make that compromise.
 
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With a thru connection I could use insert points from the mixer to provide inputs to the P16 system, rather than being limited to outputs only. Some mixers do not provide direct outs on all channels.
You can do that without thru connections... You need different "insert" cables: you need 1 TRS jack, 1 TS jack and a piece of shielded cable per channel. On 1 end connect tip and ring together to the signal wire and on the other end connect the signal wire to the tip. On both ends connect the ground to sleeve. Use the TRS jack at the mixer side to connect to the inserts and put the TS jack to the P16i.
 
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Is anyone else using the P16s noticing they're very picky about ethernet cables? Mine will occasionally show all normal signals at the mixers, but won't play audio. Switching ethernet cables fixes the issue. This has happened when cables I terminated myself and with some that were included with the mixers.

Anyone else seeing this or is it just me?
 
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I've not noticed anything like that yet. I've seen issues with crossover cables switching inputs around on the mixers. They do recommend cables wired to the "b" spec and also shielded w/ metal ends, although the utp cables I've used in the past work fine, the shield is supposed to keep emi/rfi in/out of the signal. Perhaps some of your cables may have been miswired or wired as the "a" spec?

Declan.

Is anyone else using the P16s noticing they're very picky about ethernet cables? Mine will occasionally show all normal signals at the mixers, but won't play audio. Switching ethernet cables fixes the issue. This has happened when cables I terminated myself and with some that were included with the mixers.

Anyone else seeing this or is it just me?
 
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I've not noticed anything like that yet. I've seen issues with crossover cables switching inputs around on the mixers. They do recommend cables wired to the "b" spec and also shielded w/ metal ends, although the utp cables I've used in the past work fine, the shield is supposed to keep emi/rfi in/out of the signal. Perhaps some of your cables may have been miswired or wired as the "a" spec?

Declan.
b-spec is crossover. Don't you mean a-spec?

When using a crossover cable channels 1-8 and 9-16 will be swapped otherwise there should be no problem...
 
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b-spec is crossover. Don't you mean a-spec?

When using a crossover cable channels 1-8 and 9-16 will be swapped otherwise there should be no problem...

There are actually two wiring specs that will result in a straight through connection, 568A and 568B. In most cases, either scheme will work just fine. A crossover cable is wired to 568A on one side and 568B on the other.

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