Electronic Bank Transfers

Jeffrey Knorr

Honorary PhD
Jan 11, 2011
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Danley Sound Labs turned me on to this. Intuit PaymentNetwork https://ipn.intuit.com/help/index let's you electronically transfer funds from checking account to checking account for only $0.50. It's totally genius and can save us all a fortune in credit card fees!

I'm going to follow Danley's model and offer a 2% discount for using the Intuit PN instead of a credit card on all future sales.

Jeff
 
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Danley Sound Labs turned me on to this. Intuit PaymentNetwork https://ipn.intuit.com/help/index let's you electronically transfer funds from checking account to checking account for only $0.50. It's totally genius and can save us all a fortune in credit card fees!

I'm going to follow Danley's model and offer a 2% discount for using the Intuit PN instead of a credit card on all future sales.

Jeff


Not supported in Canada unfortunately, so that's a no for me. Otherwise it looks ideal.
 
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WHAT THE F... ?

I live in Australia which is often cast as being backwards and behind the times... (well except for Game Of Thrones where we're the #1 illegal downloading country even though it goes to air 1 hour after US..).

I remember in the early 90's I had some paper material sent out to me from a company in the states and they put it in a package BUBBLE WRAPPED to make sure it got here safely - I think they had images of mail sacks on the back of kangaroo's hoppng down our streets. And this picture was NOT helped by the Simpson's in Australia episode.

Anyway, I can make a transfer to any other Oz bank account for free; I can receive for free and have been doing so for 10+ years. It is common place on most invoices to see bank account details to allow you to make payment easily.

Have I misunderstood Jeffrey's post or.. is the US banking system so behind that you can't do this ?

Andrew
 
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Andrew, the U.S. banking system is set up to take as much money from the consumers as possible. There are ridiculous fees for everything.

For Sound Forums, we have as basic of a business bank account as possible. We receive free incoming wire transfers, and can use online bill pay for outgoing payments at no charge.

In my personal account, I can send / receive money at no charge as well. I think wire transfers have a fee - but electronic funds / echeck transfers are free.

Both are with Bank of America.
 
Re: Electronic Bank Transfers

WHAT THE F... ?

I live in Australia which is often cast as being backwards and behind the times... (well except for Game Of Thrones where we're the #1 illegal downloading country even though it goes to air 1 hour after US..).

I remember in the early 90's I had some paper material sent out to me from a company in the states and they put it in a package BUBBLE WRAPPED to make sure it got here safely - I think they had images of mail sacks on the back of kangaroo's hoppng down our streets. And this picture was NOT helped by the Simpson's in Australia episode.

Anyway, I can make a transfer to any other Oz bank account for free; I can receive for free and have been doing so for 10+ years. It is common place on most invoices to see bank account details to allow you to make payment easily.

Have I misunderstood Jeffrey's post or.. is the US banking system so behind that you can't do this ?

Andrew

Banking in the US is very highly regulated but not quite a utility yet. There are good arguments for finishing the beat down (aka Dodd-Frank) and making them just like water and electric companies. Opinions vary, but I suspect bankers can afford major lobbying efforts.

Until then congress makes sport of closing the sundry honey-pots that banks use to make a profit, so the banks scramble for new ways to make money. The most recent target from congress for a bank profit center to squash was bounced check fees. Often as they make it harder for banks to make a profit the unintended consequence is that they price low income customers out of normal bank services, driving them to payday check cashing services and payday loan scams. Before long people without accounts will get paid using debit cards.

I don't feel too sad for bankers who have been receiving a huge subsidy for years due to unnaturally low inter bank borrowing rates (presumably to rebuild balance sheets slammed by the credit bubble collapse in 2007/2008). So banks can borrow for almost nothing and lend it out for a little more to make a lot more ( a math thing). However the shadow hanging over the economy has discouraged private business from doing too much borrowing.

I suspect most US bank customers do not know what they can or can't do... or what it cost them. Checks are a form of contract.

JR

PS: I recall the old days when they used to fly airplane loads of paper checks back and forth across the country to clear them. Now that they do this all electronically, why don't they clear checks and credit our accounts faster?

PPS: Oz isn't that backward... Last time I was there I could get a proper bottle of stout, but the football is odd, and what's the deal with cricket? If you think a double-header is long, you don't want to watch a cricket match. :)
 
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Best way I know of avoiding PayEnemy. In the UK it's free as well, and if you're brave you can use your phone to control it all. Jeff you need to have a look around other Banks mate, this kind of thing has been available for years both for business and individuals. G
 
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Best way I know of avoiding PayEnemy. In the UK it's free as well, and if you're brave you can use your phone to control it all. Jeff you need to have a look around other Banks mate, this kind of thing has been available for years both for business and individuals. G

As mentioned some banks offer this service, others do not (my small local bank included). With something like the Intuit service, I can offer this payment option to ALL of my customers and save us all money in the process. I fully agree that this should basically be a universally available option but it's not there yet in the US.

Jeff
 
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Hard to imagine that US banks don't offer something as basic as a wire transfer for less than 10 cents, which is normal here. I don't even pay for the first few hundred transfers in a month.

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Few hundred? I haven't made 100 bank transfers in the last year or more. I avoid bank transfers if I can in favor of using credit cards.


John Roberts said:
PS: I recall the old days when they used to fly airplane loads of paper checks back and forth across the country to clear them. Now that they do this all electronically, why don't they clear checks and credit our accounts faster?

They don't clear checks faster so they can make money. For the same reason my account isn't credited until Friday for money my employer transferred to the bank on Monday. In the interim the bank is generating interest with my money before they give it to me. Serves the same function as a minimum balance or account fee. Many banks offer all sorts of great deals for their customers if they have their paychecks direct deposited because they get free money to use for four days.

Unless your question was rhetorical, which I suspect since you're a smart guy and probably already knew that.
 
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Few hundred? I haven't made 100 bank transfers in the last year or more. I avoid bank transfers if I can in favor of using credit cards.




They don't clear checks faster so they can make money. For the same reason my account isn't credited until Friday for money my employer transferred to the bank on Monday. In the interim the bank is generating interest with my money before they give it to me. Serves the same function as a minimum balance or account fee. Many banks offer all sorts of great deals for their customers if they have their paychecks direct deposited because they get free money to use for four days.

Unless your question was rhetorical, which I suspect since you're a smart guy and probably already knew that.
Yup, it's called "float", and that's why I complained about it. There used to be a justification for a day or two to physically clear checks, now it's probably hours.

Back when I was in the Army I had a personal checking account off base. I could cash a check at the PX the day before payday, then cover it with a deposit in town after I got paid (in cash), all without my check bouncing. If I was more avaricious I could lend out money at a huge premium the day before payday. I've seen "borrow $10 and pay back $20" deals for those desperate enough. Of course I was too honest and too moral to to use bank float to finance usurious loan sharking. While I was never personally broke myself the day before payday. :)

JR
 
Few hundred? I haven't made 100 bank transfers in the last year or more. I avoid bank transfers if I can in favor of using credit cards.

I don't scratch the 100 mark either. As for credit cards, I consider them mostly evil and use them if everything else fails, especially when I have to deal with companies out of Europe.

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