5K$ anyone?

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Art Welter said:
My mistake, I can't read my own writing on the back of envelopes sometimes.

97 at 1 watt, 107 at 10, 117 at 100, 127 at 1000, 137 at 10,000 -3dB for 5000 (4949) would only be 134 db, and the 35,000w for 142 would be fun to watch.

Makes the claim of 163 dB from 3 cabinets even more laughable.
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I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing it (since that seemed more likely than you being off Art).

Loren
 
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Ron Kimball said:
Interesting that their drivers only have 3" voicecoils like the Peavey PV118 and Yamaha Club :
CSWPRO Driver 18 - A - Canadian Speaker Works Pro
Note the conspicuous absence of power handling specs.
And their "big" sub is touted as a favorite of monitor engineers :
The Black Box - Canadian Speaker Works Pro
Yah, I'd say one of those would make a decent drum fill sub - for FOH not-so-much :roll: .
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23" x 47"? *facepalm* Make it 1/2" skinnier and 1" longer and it would pack nicely in a 90" or 96" truck. Canadian trucks must be different, I recall the yorkville TX-9's packed poorly too by a matter of like 2".
 
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Tim McCulloch said:
Okay, we have Angry Birds.... and the brief mention of CSW's product refers to them as "...the loudest, angriest subwoofer this side of Servodrive..."

So will there be an Angry Subs app for the iPr0n? Ported (no pun intended) to Android?

I'm not buying into the "best subs after all."
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I guess it depends on what you call "angry". I think of that "typically" meaning aggressive or distorted. The Servodrives had extremely low distortion-which some people did not like.

I used to run the SDL5's. They were very smooth-and I never thought of them as "aggressive".

We get asked all the time why Tom Danley doesn't make the servodrive or motor driven subs any more. The answer is simple. Times and technology has changed.

We have regular loudspeaker drivers that are much more capable now-than we had back then. So the simple answer is-we can outperform that older technology by using modern designs. So why make them?

So I will leave it up to to determine what is meant by "this side of servodrive"----------------- If the servodrives were better than the cabinets in question-and we can do better than the servodrives then-------------------??????
 
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Ivan Beaver said:
I guess it depends on what you call "angry". I think of that "typically" meaning aggressive or distorted. The Servodrives had extremely low distortion-which some people did not like.

I used to run the SDL5's. They were very smooth-and I never thought of them as "aggressive".

We get asked all the time why Tom Danley doesn't make the servodrive or motor driven subs any more. The answer is simple. Times and technology has changed.

We have regular loudspeaker drivers that are much more capable now-than we had back then. So the simple answer is-we can outperform that older technology by using modern designs. So why make them?

So I will leave it up to to determine what is meant by "this side of servodrive"----------------- If the servodrives were better than the cabinets in question-and we can do better than the servodrives then-------------------??????
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The relevant paragraphs about subwoofer deployment at Bayfest:
Both weekends, the main arrays were flanked by six flown Meyer Sound M3DSub subwoofers, loaded with dual-18 and dual-15 woofers that are configured to supply cardioid characteristics for additional control of low-frequency energy.

On the ground, 24 Canadian Speaker Works Pro (CSW Pro) Black Box dual- 18 hypercardioid subwoofers in front of the stage supplied a low-end hammer when needed.

“The CSW Pro is the loudest, angriest subwoofer this side of Servodrive that I’ve heard anywhere,” notes Deslauriers.
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Divided by a common language, I'm left to guess what Mr Deslauriers means by "hammer" in terms of spectral output. Below 40Hz? From 20Hz to 50Hz? Not nit-picking but wondering how the Black Box was actually used.

I heard the Servo BT7 (actually, 4 per side in an arena) and it made me alter my concept of what subwoofers actually did. That conceptual shift eventually went all the way up the spectrum to HF and changed my thinking and approach to system design. One of the lessons from early: "Harmonic distortion from the subwoofer is not 'free db's'."
 
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So, from reading the article, I'm wondering if this guy turned off the Meyer M3D subs to listen to the CSW Pro subs? I doubt it. I'm guessing he was listening to the Meyers and CSW Pros at the same time. How could he tell them apart?

Marjan, your conclusion is silly.
 
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Matt Vivlamore said:
How does that sub only weigh 105 lbs?

Correct me if I am wrong, but its a dual 18" cab? The CS18A driver weight 32 lbs and with 2 of them; thats 64# of drivers and it leaves 41# for wood, glue & paint.
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They use the same math as figuring out the output of multiple subs-just opposite. They subtract extra weight.

You know-it is all in how you "work" the math--------------------------
 
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Mark DeArman said:
This is almost better than the Vortex, I've got to print out this spec sheet to pass around work. I think the manufacture might need to do some research on selecting the proper acoustic center for measurements, or may need to post more data about their measurement setup to support their data.

Mark
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Who needs "data" anymore. The current trend among high end systems is LACK OF DATA and you are just supposed to "believe" that they will do what the manufacturer says they will.

One of my new favorite specs is on amplifier size- "adequate". OK so that means WHAT? I guess they can't be "called" on not meeting that spec HA
 
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Ivan Beaver said:
We get asked all the time why Tom Danley doesn't make the servodrive or motor driven subs any more. The answer is simple. Times and technology has changed.

We have regular loudspeaker drivers that are much more capable now-than we had back then. So the simple answer is-we can outperform that older technology by using modern designs. So why make them?
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I can imagine some companies that would continue to make them just because of the reputation and the gee-whiz factor of the motor driven technology. Look at Shure and the unidyne capsule they have used for many many many years, despite also coming out with newer tech. I can't imagine them saying that one of their new mics is technically better than the SM58 and so they were going to cease SM58 production.

Kudos to Tom for his resistance to this line of thinking, that is kind of refreshing.
 
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Craig Hauber said:
Why do they suck? -would honestly like to know. (They do use up quite a bit of DSP resources on the boxes I've seen it available in)

-sorry for the topic swerve.
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Here is a good article.
Linkwitz-Riley Crossovers: A Primer

I wouldn't use the word "suck", but a 48db LR HPF wouldn't be my typical go-to starting point. Then again, I am not the designer.... sooooo.......
 
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