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<blockquote data-quote="frank kayser" data-source="post: 137790" data-attributes="member: 28"><p>Re: Actually MIXING on a tablet/ipad</p><p></p><p>Three experiences.</p><p>First-gen Presonus (16.0.2.a d 24.4.2)</p><p>Requires a computer between iPad and mixer to work. Also requires user to supply WAP/router. Interface issues are less than perfectly sorted, IMO. I do like the surface despite no motorized faders. Everyting is there with little futzing or layer hunting. Metering is absolutely the best. iPad App is mature, complete, many detail channel functions require rotation from landscape to portrait to operate. Makes a lot of sense, really. Great if your hands are empty. If the iPad has to live on a table or stand, maybe not so much so. Requires one to learn surface and app - really learning two separate products. Had one since 2011 - coming back to it last weekend after nearly a year, it was firmly in my head. No searching. (though the Presonus computer SW, Universal Control, refused to talk to the mixer. Probably had a patch I did not install when I went to Yosemite on the MAC.) My fault, but does highlight the need to keep all the SW pieces in-sync.</p><p></p><p>A&H QU16. Nice format, good, motorized faders. App is also mature, if not complete. No computer needed, though it does require the user supply WAP/router. Again, surface and app interface are different, requires learning both. Have had one for a couple months now, still not perfectly at home, but all the tools are there to make a good mix. Headamps are settable/recallable in a scene and set via iPad. Not as expandable as a x32 Rack or Presonus rack. (rant - in their efforts to be unique/different/better/clearer/whatever... than other mixers, they have named the "solo" or "cue" or whatever the "PAFL" button. The confusion on the surface, iPad and documentation is immense (IMO) that causes whether the PAFL button is in PFL/AFL - whether it is being used as a noun, a verb or whatever is completely FUBAR). Then there's the PAFL Assign button... /EndRant)</p><p></p><p>QSC Touchmix 16 - I've really gotten to like this one since New Year's - I chose it for our cafe' for ease. I've done about 30 gigs on it so far. There is no "surface" - just a screen about the size of a 7" iPad, and a couple hard buttons. What I like about this is if you mix on the mixer, you're also learning the app. No cross-referencing the app vs surface in your mind. It is small, but with enough heft. One never has to worry if the iPad is charged or not. Not as expandable as a x32 rack or the presonus rack. What you buy is all there is. No expansion. No stage box. No MADI. No DANTE. In my opinion, is has not been dummed down - it has almost everything my QU16 has (in sone features, more). It creates its own WiFi network - no WAP/Router necessary. With the version 2 SW, one can integrate it into a standard WAP/router and/or hard wired, run multiple IOS devices, security hierarchy. </p><p></p><p>Needless to say, since the iPad app is virtually identical to the screen on the mixer, it encourages one to mix on the iPad. Gone is the "excuse" I use to stay at the mixer because I like the feel of faders - since there aren't any... The app is responsive and well thought out (not better or worse than Presonus or A&H) with everything but the channel gains available. There is a "quasi gain" on the cannel setup that allows trim of +/- 12 db. </p><p></p><p>I mix all 3 on a gen 3 iPad (first gen w/Retina display) and all the apps work pretty well. (still like faders). We also bought a new iPad Air II to go with the QSC Touchmix, and I can say the newer technology brings a bit more snap to the QSC app, and is much better at focusing the actual point of touch on the screen. </p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, iPads are expensive - I bought an iPad Air II (latest tech, no Cellular, 16gb) from Apple with a case and Apple Care - total was ~$700. Add that as an obligatory cost to the rack mixers (unless something is already in the inventory).</p><p></p><p>frank</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="frank kayser, post: 137790, member: 28"] Re: Actually MIXING on a tablet/ipad Three experiences. First-gen Presonus (16.0.2.a d 24.4.2) Requires a computer between iPad and mixer to work. Also requires user to supply WAP/router. Interface issues are less than perfectly sorted, IMO. I do like the surface despite no motorized faders. Everyting is there with little futzing or layer hunting. Metering is absolutely the best. iPad App is mature, complete, many detail channel functions require rotation from landscape to portrait to operate. Makes a lot of sense, really. Great if your hands are empty. If the iPad has to live on a table or stand, maybe not so much so. Requires one to learn surface and app - really learning two separate products. Had one since 2011 - coming back to it last weekend after nearly a year, it was firmly in my head. No searching. (though the Presonus computer SW, Universal Control, refused to talk to the mixer. Probably had a patch I did not install when I went to Yosemite on the MAC.) My fault, but does highlight the need to keep all the SW pieces in-sync. A&H QU16. Nice format, good, motorized faders. App is also mature, if not complete. No computer needed, though it does require the user supply WAP/router. Again, surface and app interface are different, requires learning both. Have had one for a couple months now, still not perfectly at home, but all the tools are there to make a good mix. Headamps are settable/recallable in a scene and set via iPad. Not as expandable as a x32 Rack or Presonus rack. (rant - in their efforts to be unique/different/better/clearer/whatever... than other mixers, they have named the "solo" or "cue" or whatever the "PAFL" button. The confusion on the surface, iPad and documentation is immense (IMO) that causes whether the PAFL button is in PFL/AFL - whether it is being used as a noun, a verb or whatever is completely FUBAR). Then there's the PAFL Assign button... /EndRant) QSC Touchmix 16 - I've really gotten to like this one since New Year's - I chose it for our cafe' for ease. I've done about 30 gigs on it so far. There is no "surface" - just a screen about the size of a 7" iPad, and a couple hard buttons. What I like about this is if you mix on the mixer, you're also learning the app. No cross-referencing the app vs surface in your mind. It is small, but with enough heft. One never has to worry if the iPad is charged or not. Not as expandable as a x32 rack or the presonus rack. What you buy is all there is. No expansion. No stage box. No MADI. No DANTE. In my opinion, is has not been dummed down - it has almost everything my QU16 has (in sone features, more). It creates its own WiFi network - no WAP/Router necessary. With the version 2 SW, one can integrate it into a standard WAP/router and/or hard wired, run multiple IOS devices, security hierarchy. Needless to say, since the iPad app is virtually identical to the screen on the mixer, it encourages one to mix on the iPad. Gone is the "excuse" I use to stay at the mixer because I like the feel of faders - since there aren't any... The app is responsive and well thought out (not better or worse than Presonus or A&H) with everything but the channel gains available. There is a "quasi gain" on the cannel setup that allows trim of +/- 12 db. I mix all 3 on a gen 3 iPad (first gen w/Retina display) and all the apps work pretty well. (still like faders). We also bought a new iPad Air II to go with the QSC Touchmix, and I can say the newer technology brings a bit more snap to the QSC app, and is much better at focusing the actual point of touch on the screen. Unfortunately, iPads are expensive - I bought an iPad Air II (latest tech, no Cellular, 16gb) from Apple with a case and Apple Care - total was ~$700. Add that as an obligatory cost to the rack mixers (unless something is already in the inventory). frank [/QUOTE]
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