Apple MacBook Pro - Antiglare vs Retina

Re: Apple MacBook Pro - Antiglare vs Retina

Brian, I clicked on the link to your company's web page. It looks like Happy Mac is a third party Apple repair center. It's not completely clear, do you also repair other brands?

We are an Apple Specialist, and Authorized Apple Service Provider. We also do out of warranty repair on other machines, but are not authorized service centers for any at this time. We see our fair share of machines coming through the door, so we've got a rough idea of the problems that people will have. Machines that come in that are refurbs tend to have problems out of the ordinary, and are more difficult to troubleshoot. Parts that normally wouldn't be a problem causing the symptom end up being the source, etc., more often than with regular machines. The reason for this is that in the refurb process, the common part that would be replaced for the symptom is, but the true problem lies deeper, yet doesn't show up right away in the diagnostics process.

You CAN save a bunch of money buying refurbs, and many are simply customer returns of a perfectly working machine. However, you have no way of knowing the true history of that hardware, so you're taking your chances. Apple is pretty good about standing behind the product, so if you have to bring it in for repair several times for the same issue, they'll end up replacing it for you, but they don't compensate you for any downtime that may occur because your machine isn't working properly.

As far as RAM upgrades, the Retina line and MacBook Air line do NOT have any RAM upgrade slots available. It is what it is when it leaves the factory, so plan wisely. Since those machines use SSDs for hard drives, the impact of not having enough RAM isn't as pronounced. The MAC OS will use drive space when it's short on RAM, and SSDs are so much faster than traditional hard drives that the impact isn't as noticeable.

Third party RAM can be much cheaper than what Apple charges in some cases, but also is more likely to be a source of problems. Rarely do we have machines that come in with problems with the factory Apple RAM in them. It's quite common though, to have failed RAM chips, or crashy machines when third party RAM is installed. Some brands are far worse than others in this regard. That potential savings versus downtime of an unreliable machine is something to consider.
 
Re: Apple MacBook Pro - Antiglare vs Retina

The newer non-Retina MBP's will take up to 16gb of RAM, depending on the model. Mine is a late 2011 15" model, and happily accepted a 16gb kit from Amazon.

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That's good to know; I wish my '09 13in would take 16gb(I haven't tried it but Apple says it won't take more than 8)... It's weird that they won't let you order a regular 13 or 15in with 16gb; IMO if you are running a Windows VM a very much having more than 8 would be nice as you could assign the VM more memory, I can't assign more than around 3gb to one with my setup without getting into heavy swap file usage(which with an SSD isn't too much of a slow down).
 
That's good to know; I wish my '09 13in would take 16gb(I haven't tried it but Apple says it won't take more than 8)... It's weird that they won't let you order a regular 13 or 15in with 16gb; IMO if you are running a Windows VM a very much having more than 8 would be nice as you could assign the VM more memory, I can't assign more than around 3gb to one with my setup without getting into heavy swap file usage(which with an SSD isn't too much of a slow down).

Well as far as I know, Apple has never said any of the standard MBP's will take 16gb, they always say a max of 8gb. The standard Intel chipsets they use in the MBP's support more, so I'm not really sure why they do that. Do some Google searching and see if other people have had success with your specific year model of Macbook.

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Re: Apple MacBook Pro - Antiglare vs Retina

Well as far as I know, Apple has never said any of the standard MBP's will take 16gb, they always say a max of 8gb. The standard Intel chipsets they use in the MBP's support more, so I'm not really sure why they do that. Do some Google searching and see if other people have had success with your specific year model of Macbook.

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Will do, thanks.

Edit: Did some searching and from what I found the early 2011(sandy bridge, i5 & i7) models are the oldest ones that support 16gb, my mid '09 C2D is limited to 8gb by the chipset it uses.
 
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Re: Apple MacBook Pro - Antiglare vs Retina

Well as far as I know, Apple has never said any of the standard MBP's will take 16gb, they always say a max of 8gb. The standard Intel chipsets they use in the MBP's support more, so I'm not really sure why they do that. Do some Google searching and see if other people have had success with your specific year model of Macbook.

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Apple officially only supports 8GB of RAM in the non-retina MacBook Pro line, although if you put 16GB, the machine does recognize that RAM in the machine. Generally, when Apple doesn't officially support the additional amount of RAM in machines, there is a reason. On older MacBooks, they officially limited the RAM to 3GB, although you could install 4GB of RAM in the machine and it would show up as being in there. The problem was that it could only address 3.5GB of the 4GB, or something like that, so to avoid confusion, they said it supported 3GB max.

The other thing to consider is that higher density RAM can draw more power. While the system can address more RAM, the higher power draw may be out of spec with what the machine can provide, and the additional heat generated in the machine can cause problems. You may be fine, but if anything goes wrong, Apple can simply say it doesn't support that, go pound sand.

P.S. if you ever have to send your machine in for warranty service, make sure you have original Apple RAM installed in it. If their service centers detect non Apple RAM installed, they will send it back and blame the RAM as the source of the problem, even if it's clearly and obviously not related. We've had them send back machines with bad optical drives, but since it was third party RAM, that was the culprit.