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<blockquote data-quote="Daniel Rheaume" data-source="post: 138314" data-attributes="member: 9043"><p>Re: Behringer X32 Firmware v3.0 Feature Requests</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Hello!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I must say, I didn't expect to see such vocal opposition to a very modern and useful tool.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Okay, well auto tune on every channel may sound extreme. I really meant I would love the ability to have it on any vocal channel.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">But, in the nicest possible way, who exactly are you working with that has such lofty musical ideals that they would refuse to use auto tune?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">And do you mean to tell me you wouldn't take work from an artist who used autotune?? Business is either very, very good, or you are turning away clients based on a very strange prejudice. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I think perhaps you believe auto tune is a magic bullet that turns bad singers into great ones...and I assure you, no plugin will do that.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">It can however take a great singer and make them sound live like they did on the record -- records where some of the best singers in the world sing take after</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">take on tracks that cost ungodly amounts of money with the biggest and best engineers and producers in the world, finally comping together a number of takes</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">into the perfect "take"...and then they still likely auto tuned it. And let's face it, the audience just wants to hear the song like they did on the</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">radio. If there is anything we can take away from the facade that is the super bowl halftime show, it's that people don't even care if you are singing at</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">all so long as it sounds like they remember. It's the equivalent of the photoshopped beauty magazines. Nobody really looks like that, just like nobody can sound perfect every night of their lives. In both situations great pains have been taken to showcase something in the very best light possible. But that's not real life.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I'm telling you, artists with great chops use it all the time. It's been in rack mount form selling very well</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">for years. I'm really not sure who's buying that hardware if it isn't real artists working on the road? </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">It reminds me of Creed. Millions of records sold, but no one seems to have ever bought one... i.e. there are a lot of closet creed fans out there.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The artists or their engineers may not want to admit to using it because of the stigma, but it is alive and well. Probably even in use among artists you respect. The digico consoles have had access to it for a long time too, btw, so it's a very natural inclusion on the part of Behringer.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">And finally, before I get off my soapbox, I have to really say...what is inherently special about someone who can "really" sing vs someone who can sing with auto tune? Why is it cheating? If we are stringent with our ideas of talent, why shouldn't we just say no artist should sing multiple takes? Because that's not real either. You don't get to choose your best takes live.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Admiration for hard work and natural talent are good things, but they are also man made concepts. In many ways the things we put great value on in society are quite arbitrary. In my opinion, the person with the best product wins. If it takes auto tune, I don't really care. I imagine the "anti-autotuners" are probably a lot of the same individuals who think digital recording lacks soul, that digital cameras lack the aesthetic of film grain, etc. But that's antiquated thinking.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">We need to adapt and be modern thinkers as engineers in a technically creative and cutting edge field like music entertainment. Half the records you hear are samples and auto tune. And they sell. And people listen and enjoy it. We can't be so reluctant to adopt new ideas, new tools. A great singer is a very cool</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">thing. A musician who knows how to use every tool at his disposal to sound great is also a very cool thing. No need to slam someone's use of technology to get an</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">edge.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">So, if you are listening Uli, your dev team is definitely on the right track with an autotune plugin in my humble opinion!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Thanks!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">-Daniel</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Rheaume</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Daniel Rheaume, post: 138314, member: 9043"] Re: Behringer X32 Firmware v3.0 Feature Requests [COLOR=#000][FONT=Tahoma] Hello! I must say, I didn't expect to see such vocal opposition to a very modern and useful tool. Okay, well auto tune on every channel may sound extreme. I really meant I would love the ability to have it on any vocal channel. But, in the nicest possible way, who exactly are you working with that has such lofty musical ideals that they would refuse to use auto tune? And do you mean to tell me you wouldn't take work from an artist who used autotune?? Business is either very, very good, or you are turning away clients based on a very strange prejudice. I think perhaps you believe auto tune is a magic bullet that turns bad singers into great ones...and I assure you, no plugin will do that. It can however take a great singer and make them sound live like they did on the record -- records where some of the best singers in the world sing take after take on tracks that cost ungodly amounts of money with the biggest and best engineers and producers in the world, finally comping together a number of takes into the perfect "take"...and then they still likely auto tuned it. And let's face it, the audience just wants to hear the song like they did on the radio. If there is anything we can take away from the facade that is the super bowl halftime show, it's that people don't even care if you are singing at all so long as it sounds like they remember. It's the equivalent of the photoshopped beauty magazines. Nobody really looks like that, just like nobody can sound perfect every night of their lives. In both situations great pains have been taken to showcase something in the very best light possible. But that's not real life. I'm telling you, artists with great chops use it all the time. It's been in rack mount form selling very well for years. I'm really not sure who's buying that hardware if it isn't real artists working on the road? It reminds me of Creed. Millions of records sold, but no one seems to have ever bought one... i.e. there are a lot of closet creed fans out there. The artists or their engineers may not want to admit to using it because of the stigma, but it is alive and well. Probably even in use among artists you respect. The digico consoles have had access to it for a long time too, btw, so it's a very natural inclusion on the part of Behringer. And finally, before I get off my soapbox, I have to really say...what is inherently special about someone who can "really" sing vs someone who can sing with auto tune? Why is it cheating? If we are stringent with our ideas of talent, why shouldn't we just say no artist should sing multiple takes? Because that's not real either. You don't get to choose your best takes live. Admiration for hard work and natural talent are good things, but they are also man made concepts. In many ways the things we put great value on in society are quite arbitrary. In my opinion, the person with the best product wins. If it takes auto tune, I don't really care. I imagine the "anti-autotuners" are probably a lot of the same individuals who think digital recording lacks soul, that digital cameras lack the aesthetic of film grain, etc. But that's antiquated thinking. We need to adapt and be modern thinkers as engineers in a technically creative and cutting edge field like music entertainment. Half the records you hear are samples and auto tune. And they sell. And people listen and enjoy it. We can't be so reluctant to adopt new ideas, new tools. A great singer is a very cool thing. A musician who knows how to use every tool at his disposal to sound great is also a very cool thing. No need to slam someone's use of technology to get an edge. So, if you are listening Uli, your dev team is definitely on the right track with an autotune plugin in my humble opinion! Thanks! -Daniel Rheaume[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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