Club owners are nuts..... see Photo
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So, now we found the first murphy's law for gigs:
the one guy who will do the job in a serious way is the bad guy. All other will say "how can you let me do this, you are the expert".
unfortunately nobody will learn something in such situations.
Just my 2cents
So, now we found the first murphy's law for gigs:
the one guy who will do the job in a serious way is the bad guy. All other will say "how can you let me do this, you are the expert".
unfortunately nobody will learn something in such situations.
Just my 2cents
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Its hard to tell from the photo but what is that for a system? Of course its Bose tops. But is that some sort of Bose 2 - 8s or a bose sub ? Are they just sitting on a road case or is that a 2-15, 2-18 sub. Maybe vocals loud and clear at 120dbs but thats before they add the backline,monitors,etc.!
Send in a spy with a video camera and post some videos! To be a fly on the wall for this show!
Douglas R. Allen
Its hard to tell from the photo but what is that for a system? Of course its Bose tops. But is that some sort of Bose 2 - 8s or a bose sub ? Are they just sitting on a road case or is that a 2-15, 2-18 sub. Maybe vocals loud and clear at 120dbs but thats before they add the backline,monitors,etc.!
Send in a spy with a video camera and post some videos! To be a fly on the wall for this show!
Douglas R. Allen
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And some Community Event organizers too.
In 2011, we lost a show to this assortment....
And some Community Event organizers too.
In 2011, we lost a show to this assortment....
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I would have let him finish his prayer then quickly got on the talkback (adding a bit to FOH for the audience) and firmly told him he was late etc.... His behaviour is terrible.
As a counter example to everything here, I did a few years running the sound at City Church SF. I've never met a more professional and more humble group of musicians... A real privilege to work with them.
I would have let him finish his prayer then quickly got on the talkback (adding a bit to FOH for the audience) and firmly told him he was late etc.... His behaviour is terrible.
As a counter example to everything here, I did a few years running the sound at City Church SF. I've never met a more professional and more humble group of musicians... A real privilege to work with them.
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Canada in front of about 3000 people, headlining artist's hollowbody is feeding back through his amp. It was my first year on FOH for that job and I think he wanted to flex some muscle with the new guy, announces over the FOH that I need to do something about the hum, respond to him quite loudly over talkback he needs to try muting his guitar. I don't think he likes me very much.
Canada in front of about 3000 people, headlining artist's hollowbody is feeding back through his amp. It was my first year on FOH for that job and I think he wanted to flex some muscle with the new guy, announces over the FOH that I need to do something about the hum, respond to him quite loudly over talkback he needs to try muting his guitar. I don't think he likes me very much.
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Nice stage..............matches the PA!
Mick Berg.
Nice stage..............matches the PA!
Mick Berg.
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My experience with Christian bands has been positive as well. I was the monitor engineer for a small show, because the manager wanted to give his sound guy "a chance to mix FOH". Said FOH guy had his two snakes confused and couldn't find any inputs - the audience were in the room! I never usually do monitors (and never before on an M7CL) but managed to do my bit OK.
The band were incredibly patient and decent about the whole mess.
Mick Berg.
My experience with Christian bands has been positive as well. I was the monitor engineer for a small show, because the manager wanted to give his sound guy "a chance to mix FOH". Said FOH guy had his two snakes confused and couldn't find any inputs - the audience were in the room! I never usually do monitors (and never before on an M7CL) but managed to do my bit OK.
The band were incredibly patient and decent about the whole mess.
Mick Berg.
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I worked with DP this past summer at a festival, and their FOH was very professional and considerate. We had unboxed a new SC48 for the festival, and for them, and he made sure to get all the plugins up to date and give our crew a good walk through. The whole loading plugins thing was a bit new coming from M7 and 5D land.
I worked with DP this past summer at a festival, and their FOH was very professional and considerate. We had unboxed a new SC48 for the festival, and for them, and he made sure to get all the plugins up to date and give our crew a good walk through. The whole loading plugins thing was a bit new coming from M7 and 5D land.
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What's the problem-they have what looks to be 4 decades of gear there. SO if you have the "best" of each decade-then it MUST be good-right???
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Just like the performances at the Grammys...
Just like the performances at the Grammys...
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The operator was excited because he figured out he could turn the horn attenuators on those old YAMAHA 4115's and "use them as subs". They didn't survive the show. And, they were borrowed from another guy who didn't get paid.
They also lost one amp mid-show, and wanted me to "make them a deal" on a rental amp!
And the 4 lights you see deployed side-stage were all that was brought to the party.
Oh well, it comes with the territory, right?
On the upside, I rented an amp, at regular non-inflated price, and I got to sell him replacement baskets for the Peavey cabs as well.
The operator was excited because he figured out he could turn the horn attenuators on those old YAMAHA 4115's and "use them as subs". They didn't survive the show. And, they were borrowed from another guy who didn't get paid.
They also lost one amp mid-show, and wanted me to "make them a deal" on a rental amp!
And the 4 lights you see deployed side-stage were all that was brought to the party.
Oh well, it comes with the territory, right?
On the upside, I rented an amp, at regular non-inflated price, and I got to sell him replacement baskets for the Peavey cabs as well.
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Well in a sense they were-they got paid-and that is really the definition of a "pro". NOT in the quality of the job performed.
It is no wonder the expectations of live performances is so low. People get used to that sort of "quality" ,and setup lack of knowledge and all the issues that come with it.
YEAH-Lets put 4 lights on ONE SIDE of the band-BEHIND the bands FACES-YEAH-that sounds like a GOOD idea!!!!!!!
Who wants to see their faces anyway? I guess they figured that it was a compromise between having both front and rear lighting---------------------
The sad thing is-if they had simply put the 4 lights in front of the band (hanging off the tent pole or at least IN FRONT on one side-or 2 on each side) and used a single SP2 (assuming that is the model number of the most current loudspeaker there) on each side and gotten it up in the air-the results would have been much better.
Maybe not quite as loud-but better sounding. And you would not have posted the photo.
At LEAST use the gear properly!!! When used improperly-it is bad on ALL of us.
And I bet they considered themselves "pros".
Well in a sense they were-they got paid-and that is really the definition of a "pro". NOT in the quality of the job performed.
It is no wonder the expectations of live performances is so low. People get used to that sort of "quality" ,and setup lack of knowledge and all the issues that come with it.
YEAH-Lets put 4 lights on ONE SIDE of the band-BEHIND the bands FACES-YEAH-that sounds like a GOOD idea!!!!!!!
Who wants to see their faces anyway? I guess they figured that it was a compromise between having both front and rear lighting---------------------
The sad thing is-if they had simply put the 4 lights in front of the band (hanging off the tent pole or at least IN FRONT on one side-or 2 on each side) and used a single SP2 (assuming that is the model number of the most current loudspeaker there) on each side and gotten it up in the air-the results would have been much better.
Maybe not quite as loud-but better sounding. And you would not have posted the photo.
At LEAST use the gear properly!!! When used improperly-it is bad on ALL of us.
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*picture finally loads* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *facepalm* (I mix through a series of four Bose 802s in a long, narrow front bar. Just, no).
*picture finally loads* hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *facepalm* (I mix through a series of four Bose 802s in a long, narrow front bar. Just, no).
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At a ribfest last year we had a "pretty boy" country act comprised of college students. Not bad musically but the singer had a mic technique that could only have come from "worst of youtube." After about 3 songs it became evident that he wasn't going to "get it" no matter how poorly he heard himself in the wedges or the FOH feedback that resulted when I tried to pull him up in the mix, I took my TB mic and, between songs, said something to the effect of "put the mic to your lips when you sing or talk. Do not remove it until you are done." The look on his face was priceless, but he took the advice and the rest of their set was actually pretty good.
Fast forward a month or so to a big doctrinal and administrative church conference. I'm freelancing for an AV shop (lots of music, much of which was from international delegations). The music leader was a college professor and we were discussing how to handle the audio for the variety of musicians. In the course of that conversation the ribfest came up (he was a barbecue fan) and he asked if I remembered a student band that played.... Oh yes. His students, my stage. The professor related the singer's later-told story of great surprise when a "voice from nowhere" talked to him. He did figure out it was FOH, eventually, but in his short experience he'd never had a non-performer's voice in his wedge. "He actually TALKED to me during a show!" The professor told him "be careful, talking about hearing voices, look what it did for Joan of Arc."
I used to label my TB channel "me". I now label it "god".
At a ribfest last year we had a "pretty boy" country act comprised of college students. Not bad musically but the singer had a mic technique that could only have come from "worst of youtube." After about 3 songs it became evident that he wasn't going to "get it" no matter how poorly he heard himself in the wedges or the FOH feedback that resulted when I tried to pull him up in the mix, I took my TB mic and, between songs, said something to the effect of "put the mic to your lips when you sing or talk. Do not remove it until you are done." The look on his face was priceless, but he took the advice and the rest of their set was actually pretty good.
Fast forward a month or so to a big doctrinal and administrative church conference. I'm freelancing for an AV shop (lots of music, much of which was from international delegations). The music leader was a college professor and we were discussing how to handle the audio for the variety of musicians. In the course of that conversation the ribfest came up (he was a barbecue fan) and he asked if I remembered a student band that played.... Oh yes. His students, my stage. The professor related the singer's later-told story of great surprise when a "voice from nowhere" talked to him. He did figure out it was FOH, eventually, but in his short experience he'd never had a non-performer's voice in his wedge. "He actually TALKED to me during a show!" The professor told him "be careful, talking about hearing voices, look what it did for Joan of Arc."
I used to label my TB channel "me". I now label it "god".
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At my old church gig, I labeled the talkback, "VOG", for Voice of God. I even put FX on it to pitch it down!
At my old church gig, I labeled the talkback, "VOG", for Voice of God. I even put FX on it to pitch it down!