Anyone have any experience with the 144 chauvet lights? Looking to cover a cyc in a High School about a 20' height. Is there any other options that might be more bang for the buck. Prefer RGBW as opposed to just RGB.
Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
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Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
I've used the Batten 72, and it's about what you'd expect for the price. Uneven beam, and inconsistent color fixture to fixture. Probably bright enough for a 20' cyc on a high school stage, but I'm not sure how much spare intensity you'll have.
I've used the Batten 72, and it's about what you'd expect for the price. Uneven beam, and inconsistent color fixture to fixture. Probably bright enough for a 20' cyc on a high school stage, but I'm not sure how much spare intensity you'll have.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
Do you think the Altman Cyc 100 might be a better buy? It looks like the pricing is similiar. Just thinking I would need more fixtures to cover the length of the stage.
Do you think the Altman Cyc 100 might be a better buy? It looks like the pricing is similiar. Just thinking I would need more fixtures to cover the length of the stage.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
I've recently been through the same through process and arrived at renting. My local lighting shop has Chroma-Q Force 12, 48, 72. They so far outperform the Chauvet or anything comparable, it's just ridiculous. For my application a conventional cyc light was price prohibitive because of lack of available dimming. For you, renting conventional might be a good solution if you already have the infrastructure. In my opinion, the subtle color mixing for cyc applications is no place for cheaper LED fixtures. I think it plays to all of their weaknesses and gives unusable results.
Buy once, cry once. If you can't you're probably better off punting, which is what I wound up doing.
thomas d.
I've recently been through the same through process and arrived at renting. My local lighting shop has Chroma-Q Force 12, 48, 72. They so far outperform the Chauvet or anything comparable, it's just ridiculous. For my application a conventional cyc light was price prohibitive because of lack of available dimming. For you, renting conventional might be a good solution if you already have the infrastructure. In my opinion, the subtle color mixing for cyc applications is no place for cheaper LED fixtures. I think it plays to all of their weaknesses and gives unusable results.
Buy once, cry once. If you can't you're probably better off punting, which is what I wound up doing.
thomas d.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
Agreed, the ChromaQ colorforce line simply has been outperforming the rest. We bought into the colorforce12 when they first came out and were very impressed. This summer we bought 6 of the colorforce48 fixtures with the "Cyc Lens" and those have really done all that was advertised - 6 of them with the cyc lens will fully cover a 40+ ft. wide white cyc and look very bright and nice. We recently added more 12" versions as we cannot keep these in. We love them and our customers love them.
Agreed, the ChromaQ colorforce line simply has been outperforming the rest. We bought into the colorforce12 when they first came out and were very impressed. This summer we bought 6 of the colorforce48 fixtures with the "Cyc Lens" and those have really done all that was advertised - 6 of them with the cyc lens will fully cover a 40+ ft. wide white cyc and look very bright and nice. We recently added more 12" versions as we cannot keep these in. We love them and our customers love them.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
Some people might take issue with that, as there are higher output/wider gamut fixtures on the market (although at higher prices).
Admittedly, I'm biased, though.
Some people might take issue with that, as there are higher output/wider gamut fixtures on the market (although at higher prices).
Admittedly, I'm biased, though.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
Rob,
I probably should have stated at that price point.
From the research I have done the ChromaQ colorforce 12 blows away the colorblast 12 TR and the Martin Stagebar54S (not sure about the new stagebar54)
The price point only helps things.
However, I am willing to open the door
What fixtures are you reffering to with higher output/wider gamut than the Colorforce 48 and 72 fixtures
So a batten fixture that is the same length of either 48 or 72 inches and their price points.
or a 12" fixture if you would prefer
I am always open to learning more.
Rob,
I probably should have stated at that price point.
From the research I have done the ChromaQ colorforce 12 blows away the colorblast 12 TR and the Martin Stagebar54S (not sure about the new stagebar54)
The price point only helps things.
However, I am willing to open the door
What fixtures are you reffering to with higher output/wider gamut than the Colorforce 48 and 72 fixtures
So a batten fixture that is the same length of either 48 or 72 inches and their price points.
or a 12" fixture if you would prefer
I am always open to learning more.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
The ETC Selador fixtures are wider gamut, and the Color Kinetics Blaze TRX is higher output. Both are more expensive.
At 120W, I would hope that the Colorforce 12 has higher output than the 50W ColorBlast TR (although comparing to the Blast TRX is probably a better comparison). The Martin Stagebar 2 is a very different fixture from the Stagebar54, so that comparison isn't quite valid.
The important thing here is to make sure you're comparing similar fixtures.
The ETC Selador fixtures are wider gamut, and the Color Kinetics Blaze TRX is higher output. Both are more expensive.
At 120W, I would hope that the Colorforce 12 has higher output than the 50W ColorBlast TR (although comparing to the Blast TRX is probably a better comparison). The Martin Stagebar 2 is a very different fixture from the Stagebar54, so that comparison isn't quite valid.
The important thing here is to make sure you're comparing similar fixtures.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
Rob,
A couple questions
ETC selador has a lot of different choices and more colors of LED so I would hope the color gamut is better
CK colorblaze TRX
I am looking at the specs and am trying to figure out the higher output.
colorblaze TRX 2ft. specs say:
22degree beam agle
4ft. throw
1.7ft. beam width
1794 fc
ChromaQ colorforce12
23 degree beam
3ft. throw
1.23ft beam width
1951 fc
This is with a 1ft fixture and the colorblaze TRX is 2ft. - what am i missing
The colorkinetics stuff is great and I am sure it looks good also
Either way the colorforce line is a very good deal for the money and looks good doing it
db
Rob,
A couple questions
ETC selador has a lot of different choices and more colors of LED so I would hope the color gamut is better
CK colorblaze TRX
I am looking at the specs and am trying to figure out the higher output.
colorblaze TRX 2ft. specs say:
22degree beam agle
4ft. throw
1.7ft. beam width
1794 fc
ChromaQ colorforce12
23 degree beam
3ft. throw
1.23ft beam width
1951 fc
This is with a 1ft fixture and the colorblaze TRX is 2ft. - what am i missing
The colorkinetics stuff is great and I am sure it looks good also
Either way the colorforce line is a very good deal for the money and looks good doing it
db
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
When comparing light output from fixtures with different beam patterns (and potentially different beam distributions), you need to correct for the area of the beam. The colorforce 12 at 15' has a 4.7' diameter beam, which compares well with the 5.1' diameter beam of the Blaze TRX at 12'. At these distances, the Colorforce has 109fc, while the Blaze TRX has 199fc. Those values correlate well with the Colorforce's 2400 lumens compared to the Blaze's 6008 lumens. If you'd prefer to work with candlepower, the Colorforce 12 has somewhere between 17559cp and 24525cp (depending on which measurement you use), compared to the measured 28710cp of the Blaze TRX.
I was basing my brightness comparison on lumens/ft.
When comparing light output from fixtures with different beam patterns (and potentially different beam distributions), you need to correct for the area of the beam. The colorforce 12 at 15' has a 4.7' diameter beam, which compares well with the 5.1' diameter beam of the Blaze TRX at 12'. At these distances, the Colorforce has 109fc, while the Blaze TRX has 199fc. Those values correlate well with the Colorforce's 2400 lumens compared to the Blaze's 6008 lumens. If you'd prefer to work with candlepower, the Colorforce 12 has somewhere between 17559cp and 24525cp (depending on which measurement you use), compared to the measured 28710cp of the Blaze TRX.
I was basing my brightness comparison on lumens/ft.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
The ColorForces are ridiculous in output. "White" to the naked eye, LOOKS white (I haven't looked at through the eye of video yet, we're still just sticking with conventionals for anything in that world.
The ColorForces ARE a bit expensive, and I haven't seen what the Seladors can do, but beyond that, I haven't seen an LED fixture with this much output.
The ColorForces are ridiculous in output. "White" to the naked eye, LOOKS white (I haven't looked at through the eye of video yet, we're still just sticking with conventionals for anything in that world.
The ColorForces ARE a bit expensive, and I haven't seen what the Seladors can do, but beyond that, I haven't seen an LED fixture with this much output.
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
The Colorblaze TRX is 2ft. long so we are not comparing the same thing with the 1ft. colorforce
Also as you stated it is approx 3x as much money
I would say the same length fixture would be similar but output but less money in favor of the colorforce.
I would love to have some of all of these but the truth is I can't afford them all.
The ChromaQ colorforce was/is a good value of output and dollar value
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The Colorblaze TRX is 2ft. long so we are not comparing the same thing with the 1ft. colorforce
Also as you stated it is approx 3x as much money
I would say the same length fixture would be similar but output but less money in favor of the colorforce.
I would love to have some of all of these but the truth is I can't afford them all.
The ChromaQ colorforce was/is a good value of output and dollar value
db
Re: Colorado Batten 144 for cyc lighting
Ended up getting the Altman Cyc100 RGBA. Pretty happy with the results.
Ended up getting the Altman Cyc100 RGBA. Pretty happy with the results.