Silas Pradetto
Graduate Student
That's why the vast majority of digital consoles have selectable gain compensation, so double patched channels can be virtually 'gain locked' and avoid this issue
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Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
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That's why the vast majority of digital consoles have selectable gain compensation, so double patched channels can be virtually 'gain locked' and avoid this issue
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Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
Yes but.... with digital gain trim after the pre but before the channel, with gain stabilization the individual mix engineers should be able to control their two different input gains without stepping on each other.
As I've posted before, the only thing you cannot do with this strategy is allow one operator to saturate his analog input stage (for effect) while the other still gets a clean feed. :-(
JR
Yes but.... with digital gain trim after the pre but before the channel, with gain stabilization the individual mix engineers should be able to control their two different input gains without stepping on each other.
As I've posted before, the only thing you cannot do with this strategy is allow one operator to saturate his analog input stage (for effect) while the other still gets a clean feed. :-(
JR
Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
They actually do make these...
...old analog technology actually...
...its called a y-split.
Am i missing something? :razz:
They actually do make these...
...old analog technology actually...
...its called a y-split.
Am i missing something? :razz:
Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
It's not can it be done, but does some console have this feature built-in.
A "Y" split is generally done externally.
JR
It's not can it be done, but does some console have this feature built-in.
A "Y" split is generally done externally.
JR
Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
Of course, my comment was pretty tongue-in-cheek.
But essentially, no.
But that shouldn't be surprising because the XLR inputs on a console are the preamps (or line inputs). There is no mic-level audio router functionality going on. If you need audio routing functionality, then you probably need an audio router?
Not to mention, that if your aim is to have 2 channels receiving the same preamp signal but have different internal levels, every digital console I can think of has some kind of digital trim within each channel that would allow you to achieve this with only 1 preamp and A to D conversion.
So I guess I'm missing the question?
No digital console offers the functionality you are asking. Definitively. Thats for 2 reasons:
1) The XLR inputs _are_ the preamps. They are not separate things. The preamps are soldered to the back of those XLRs
2) There are widely accepted industry methods for achieving 1 microphone into multiple preamps
Of course, my comment was pretty tongue-in-cheek.
But essentially, no.
But that shouldn't be surprising because the XLR inputs on a console are the preamps (or line inputs). There is no mic-level audio router functionality going on. If you need audio routing functionality, then you probably need an audio router?
Not to mention, that if your aim is to have 2 channels receiving the same preamp signal but have different internal levels, every digital console I can think of has some kind of digital trim within each channel that would allow you to achieve this with only 1 preamp and A to D conversion.
So I guess I'm missing the question?
No digital console offers the functionality you are asking. Definitively. Thats for 2 reasons:
1) The XLR inputs _are_ the preamps. They are not separate things. The preamps are soldered to the back of those XLRs
2) There are widely accepted industry methods for achieving 1 microphone into multiple preamps
Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
I know I'm splitting hairs here, but on the PM1D system from Yamaha, some of the input cards have an A-input and a B-input for each channel. I can't remember if there is a separate preamp for each XLR or if there is mic-level switching going on to select which XLR feeds a single preamp. I do know there are audible relay clicks when you make the switch.
Still won't quite do what Greg wants, though.
I know I'm splitting hairs here, but on the PM1D system from Yamaha, some of the input cards have an A-input and a B-input for each channel. I can't remember if there is a separate preamp for each XLR or if there is mic-level switching going on to select which XLR feeds a single preamp. I do know there are audible relay clicks when you make the switch.
Still won't quite do what Greg wants, though.
Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
I think I've already mentioned this, but the Midas DL431 has two proper mic pres per input.
I think I've already mentioned this, but the Midas DL431 has two proper mic pres per input.
Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
Can those two preamps be routed to separate converters and/or separate channels?
Can those two preamps be routed to separate converters and/or separate channels?
Re: Digital desk that can bus a mic input to more than 1 preamp?
Separate converters; yes. Separate consoles; yes. Separate channels on the same console; not directly, but you can have a second console route its preamp back to the first console via AES50, then assign that signal to an input channel. The first console will not have control of the preamp gain, though.
Separate converters; yes. Separate consoles; yes. Separate channels on the same console; not directly, but you can have a second console route its preamp back to the first console via AES50, then assign that signal to an input channel. The first console will not have control of the preamp gain, though.