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<blockquote data-quote="Mark Oakley" data-source="post: 146242" data-attributes="member: 4310">Re: Do guitar players really need guitar in their own stage wedge?Hi Steve:Sorry you got your panties in such a knot over my use of the word &quot;trained&quot;. Educated might have been a better term, but I&#039;m fine with either.Yes; it&#039;s my first instrument, although my main instrument is drums. &nbsp;Amp stands don&#039;t make the amp any closer, they take a directional device and aim it on axis to the player so that he can hear the actual tone and volume their amp produces. Most guitarists that place their amp on he floor are used to a hi&#039;s-rolled-off, muffled sound and don&#039;t realise how loud or bright their amps are to most of the audience. I haven&#039;t had a guitarist yet who hasn&#039;t turned down their amp volume after it has either been placed on a road case or tilted back on an amp stand. Good thing Miles&#039; quote doesn&#039;t apply to me, then. I spent 4 years in Music School at University and College, then spent the next 15 years playing and teaching professionally&nbsp; before getting into live sound, which I done full time for the last 20 years mixing 150+ shows a year. If you&#039;d like to hear my playing, here&#039;s a link: <a href="https://soundcloud.com/markoakley/little-drummer-boy" target="_blank">https://soundcloud.com/markoakley/little-drummer-boy</a> . I&#039;m playing drums and bass, programmed the piano and brass and also arranged, recorded and mixed it. My daughter is playing flute. You play drums too? Great; why don&#039;t you post something you&#039;ve played on?&nbsp;Plexi baffles will certainly cut down the sound of the amp to both the guitarist and the audience but will also change the tone the player has (presumably) worked on. Isn&#039;t there a simpler solution, like aiming the amp so that the guitarist can actually hear the volume and tone he is producing? Many small combo amps come with swivel side-arms just for this purpose. And I never suggested that the amp be aimed at the guitarist&#039;s vocal mic (if he sings). My favorite position would be side-fill.I regularly work with excellent players, and if there is a problem my approach is to work with the players to solve it. If the guitar is too loud, I&#039;ll suggest solutions like asking the guitarist if he&#039;s interested in putting his amp on a stand or road case, side-washing it to cover the stage and not the audience, explaining to him that the more guitar he will allow me to get into the PA the better it will cover the room (especially to the sides), or whatever will work. There&#039;s also turning the amp down and being a team player. I&#039;ve done too many gigs with the guitarist&#039;s amp on the ground, the Guitar fader off on the board, and it&#039;s still the loudest thing in the mix. &nbsp;Sorry, Steve, but you&#039;re coming off as the hot-headed amateur here. I&#039;m responding to real life problems with actual (and obvious) solutions that I&#039;ve encountered in my 20+ years of live audio as well as 15 years of live playing. Next time be sure you know a persons experience before calling them controlling, amateur, clueless, and non-playing. Real pro&#039;s let their work speak for them.-Mark</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mark Oakley, post: 146242, member: 4310"] Re: Do guitar players really need guitar in their own stage wedge? Hi Steve: [COLOR=#000000]Sorry you got your panties in such a knot over my use of the word "trained". Educated might have been a better term, but I'm fine with either.[/COLOR] Yes; it's my first instrument, although my main instrument is drums. Amp stands don't make the amp any closer, they take a directional device and aim it on axis to the player so that he can hear the actual tone and volume their amp produces. Most guitarists that place their amp on he floor are used to a hi's-rolled-off, muffled sound and don't realise how loud or bright their amps are to most of the audience. I haven't had a guitarist yet who hasn't turned down their amp volume after it has either been placed on a road case or tilted back on an amp stand. Good thing Miles' quote doesn't apply to me, then. I spent 4 years in Music School at University and College, then spent the next 15 years playing and teaching professionally before getting into live sound, which I done full time for the last 20 years mixing 150+ shows a year. If you'd like to hear my playing, here's a link: [URL]https://soundcloud.com/markoakley/little-drummer-boy[/URL] . I'm playing drums and bass, programmed the piano and brass and also arranged, recorded and mixed it. My daughter is playing flute. You play drums too? Great; why don't you post something you've played on? Plexi baffles will certainly cut down the sound of the amp to both the guitarist and the audience but will also change the tone the player has (presumably) worked on. Isn't there a simpler solution, like aiming the amp so that the guitarist can actually hear the volume and tone he is producing? Many small combo amps come with swivel side-arms just for this purpose. And I never suggested that the amp be aimed at the guitarist's vocal mic (if he sings). My favorite position would be side-fill. I regularly work with excellent players, and if there is a problem my approach is to work with the players to solve it. If the guitar is too loud, I'll suggest solutions like asking the guitarist if he's interested in putting his amp on a stand or road case, side-washing it to cover the stage and not the audience, explaining to him that the more guitar he will allow me to get into the PA the better it will cover the room (especially to the sides), or whatever will work. There's also turning the amp down and being a team player. I've done too many gigs with the guitarist's amp on the ground, the Guitar fader off on the board, and it's still the loudest thing in the mix. Sorry, Steve, but you're coming off as the hot-headed amateur here. I'm responding to real life problems with actual (and obvious) solutions that I've encountered in my 20+ years of live audio as well as 15 years of live playing. Next time be sure you know a persons experience before calling them controlling, amateur, clueless, and non-playing. Real pro's let their work speak for them. -Mark [/QUOTE]

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