Event Board Recording SNAFU

[Per Søvik]

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Up next in this thread..... COFFEE, black or cream & sugar?

Black and lots of it ~:-D~:grin:

As to owning rights and all the rest, fortunately the rest of the world haven't yet bought into the American way of making everybody involved in anything responsible for everything that might happen. If someone publishes something they don't own the rights to, that is on them, and not on the people that made it possible.

 

[Dick Rees]

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I agree about the hour spent doing basic editing can yield a far superior result and if using templates is not difficult. I do this often and build the charge in.

Yes, but in working with video you are holding them up taking the time to do a post-event mix, time which they may not have. In addition, it requires them to spend the time to synch your "improved" audio to their existing video instead of them having the audio already printed to the video in the camera.

High-quality, mixed-down audio is a neat idea. But in the real world of audio-to-video mixes it is much more expensive to do. Quite a few outfits simply cannot follow your idea and stay in business.

You can choose which end of the horse to file this under. I'm either one or the other...but this is what I do month in and month out, so I believe this is coming from the mouth, not the a**.

 

[John Chiara]

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I understand the time constraints. A quick way out would be to arrange for the client or video company to supply a flash drive and raw files could be transferred during teardown and they could leave with the multitrack files. I don't work with higher end video companies but on the cheap level this seems a pretty easy way to go. Obviously sample rates must match but other than that this seems pretty simple. I am doing this for a small festival and charging each band. Gonna pay almost as much as the actual show.

 

[Dick Rees]

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I understand the time constraints. A quick way out would be to arrange for the client or video company to supply a flash drive and raw files could be transferred during teardown and they could leave with the multitrack files. I don't work with higher end video companies but on the cheap level this seems a pretty easy way to go. Obviously sample rates must match but other than that this seems pretty simple. I am doing this for a small festival and charging each band. Gonna pay almost as much as the actual show.

There's no way to get around the extra time involved in using multi-track. And if the video outfit had a chance in h*** of making sense out of tracks, they'd be doing their own audio in the first place.

Video outfits that have tried doing their own audio are a source of quite a bit of employment for me...

 

[Eric Cagle]

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Don't know what you mean by home-made production, the video is produced by Rocket Productions

I do agree that one can't routinely spend a lot of time polishing a product that is sold at a price that makes post recording work basically a freebie, but to have a multitrack backup to save the day when there is a screw-up makes a lot of sense if making that multitrack costs very little. If the screw-up is your own, then you have the means to fix it, if the screw-up is somebody elses, you have something that that someone else might be willing to pay for.
You don't become a hero for smooth running, but saving the day when everything is fucked up ...... 8)~~

+1

This is the correct answer. I have been doing live multitrack since the days of tape. The cost and extra time involved these days is insignificant compared to what I used to work with.

 

[Robert Lofgren]

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Yes, but in working with video you are holding them up taking the time to do a post-event mix, time which they may not have. In addition, it requires them to spend the time to synch your "improved" audio to their existing video instead of them having the audio already printed to the video in the camera.

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If the video house have some professionalism then it shouldn't too be much of a problem.

Making sure that smpte is printed on the media in one way or another (you can even record it to an audio track) a pro video editing suite like avid can import and re-sync the audio automagicaly.

Then exporting the used clips into protools (that integrates into avid) or cubase then let you do your audio edits. Cubase have this handy function "replace audio in video" or by using protools your projects are in sync.

 

[Per Søvik]

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Making sure that smpte is printed on the media in one way or another (you can even record it to an audio track) a pro video editing suite like avid can import and re-sync the audio automagicaly.

Are there any software smpte generators out there? I've seen some rather handy gps controlled hardware stuff that will do the trick, but obviously at a price.
I guess that recording smpte isn't useful unless it is properly synced with the video smpte source at least at the show start, and most video editors are fairly used to working with clips that gets a lip sync tweak on a per song basis anyway.

 

[Robert Lofgren]

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Are there any software smpte generators out there? I've seen some rather handy gps controlled hardware stuff that will do the trick, but obviously at a price.
I guess that recording smpte isn't useful unless it is properly synced with the video smpte source at least at the show start, and most video editors are fairly used to working with clips that gets a lip sync tweak on a per song basis anyway.

The iPhone . It can even be used as a master or slave. I think that audacity generated smpte as well...

Smpte is only a kind of modem signal and the protocol is fairly simple.

In avid you can use the audio tc insted of the printed tc if you have trouble syncing the internal video tc.

In final cut there is a bug where the audio sample rate is incorrectly handled in pal-land so one need to apply a 0.1% timestretch when importing some audio stuff .

 

[Per Søvik]

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The iPhone . It can even be used as a master or slave. I think that audacity generated smpte as well...

Smpte is only a kind of modem signal and the protocol is fairly simple.

In avid you can use the audio tc insted of the printed tc if you have trouble syncing the internal video tc.

In final cut there is a bug where the audio sample rate is incorrectly handled in pal-land so one need to apply a 0.1% timestretch when importing some audio stuff .

Movie★Slate > The App > Timecode/Sync ~:-D~:grin: Yess, brilliant. Sync up to the videographers clock source and either record the sync or sync up a generator on the recording device. I'm not sure if any of the less pricey daws will sync up to an external clock and keep time from there, I suspect there is still a need for a smpte plugin on the recording computer to do this if one doesn't want to be hooked up to the iPhone/iPad for the whole session?
The timestretch bug/problem in final cut is probably caused by incorrect settings between 30 fps and 29.97 fps modes. Both are reported as 30 fps, and problems arise when one is used as the other. I think it has something to do with filmmakers and tv-crews hating each other, and refusing to play to the same beat :razz:

 

[Eric Cagle]

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The "pro" method is sync to a master slate at the correct frame rate you are shooting video from and have a few seconds of pre-roll. In the real world most all the clock rates are reasonably accurate and hand syncing during the editing phase is not too big of an issue as long as the audio sample rates are the same. Even if sample rates are not the same there is the sample rate converter. It might not be sample accurate but the amateur and semi-pro shoots I have recorded audio for have had no problems during editing even with multi camera shoots and no sync at all with anything.

Another thing to remember is that video might have to be pulled up or pulled down to sync with the audio regardless due to any latency in the recording. As a general rule sync is really just a place to start.

 

[Craig Hauber]

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so this is just an expensive lesson about what kind of jobs not to put her on.

I couldn't think of a better person to put on this exact type of gig again! (assuming of course that she realizes her mistake and is embarrassed by it)

-I learned more from past screwed-up gigs than I ever did if things went flawlessly

 

[Eric Cagle]

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I couldn't think of a better person to put on this exact type of gig again! (assuming of course that she realizes her mistake and is embarrassed by it)

-I learned more from past screwed-up gigs than I ever did if things went flawlessly

I absolutely agree! The only way to get experience is to get experience. I would say she is experienced for that type of gig now.

 

[Dick Rees]

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I couldn't think of a better person to put on this exact type of gig again! (assuming of course that she realizes her mistake and is embarrassed by it)

Maybe...

There is more than one mistake there. I'd want to check her out on a whole lot of stuff. From what I heard, I'd have my doubts about sending her out solo on anything. Looks like she needs to have some supervision for a while.

 

[Eric Cagle]

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Maybe...

There is more than one mistake there. I'd want to check her out on a whole lot of stuff. From what I heard, I'd have my doubts about sending her out solo on anything. Looks like she needs to have some supervision for a while.

Ahhh.....The voice of wisdom and reason. Somewhere between the words of Craig and Dick lies the answer. Hopefully in her case it will be closer to Craig's answer but I am with Dick to not send her solo just yet, now that he mentioned it.

 

[Max Warasila]

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Ahhh.....The voice of wisdom and reason. Somewhere between the words of Craig and Dick lies the answer. Hopefully in her case it will be closer to Craig's answer but I am with Dick to not send her solo just yet, now that he mentioned it.

Put her on muddy snake cleaning duty. Instant embarrassment.

 

[Rob Spence]

I'm charging for the process of acquiring the data, not the data itself.

I charge a moderate price to record an event in multitrack. If they want a good 2-track at the event then they need to pay for a recording engineer.
I charge by the hour for post production including supplying the tracks to the client (plus media cost).


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