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How to use VST Plugins live with your X32!?!
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<blockquote data-quote="Christian Boche" data-source="post: 6255" data-attributes="member: 1698"><p>Dear X32 Heads,</p><p></p><p>in the last couple of weeks, I was experimenting with my X32 setup. The reason why is, that in the last two years I worked a lot with SAC ( <a href="http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com" target="_blank">SAC - Software Audio Console</a> ).</p><p>SAC is a virtual live mixing board and it is capeable to host VST plugins, which I used a lot when mixing rock-shows. So I tried this on my X32 too and it works quite nice.</p><p>I'm not sure, if this the best way to do this with the X32, but at least I found a way that works for my needs. </p><p></p><p>So I thought I could share this with you and maybe someone has a better or smarter way to combine the X32 with VST plugins. </p><p>Anyway, this is how I roll:</p><p></p><p>I set the X32 to firewire and use the 16in/16out setting for that. Than I hook up my MacBookPro (2011 version) grab the signals, that I want to enhance with VST Plugins and route them back to the</p><p>Aux ins 1-4 on the X32. Therefore I choose in the "routing" section "card in" as inputs for the Aux ins 1-4. So, mostly I used:</p><p></p><p>Aux in1: Drumagog for the Bass Drum</p><p>Aux in2: distorted Bass with an Ampsimulator</p><p>Aux in3: Recabinet (an impluse response loader) fed with the Lineout Signal of the GTR amp from stage </p><p>Aux in4: Mostly some FX going for the lead vocals</p><p></p><p>I almost never use this signals exclusively, there are often mixed with the original signals (using two inputs on the desk). So here is the first pitfall. </p><p></p><p>Using VST Plugins gives me pretty exact 9ms overall latency on these signals (running with 64Samples buffer size). To mix these signals (original & DAW), you have to delay the original signal to avoid comb filtering. </p><p></p><p>For example:</p><p>My input 1 on the X32 is the original Kick drum mic, input 2 would be the drumagog kick drum, comming from my DAW. To avoid flamming/comb filtering - I use the channel delay on Input 1 and set it to 9ms. This works quite good. Especially because I use a hi cut on the Drumagog signal and a low cut on the original kick. I want a stable low end (which comes from the Drumagog sound) but an organic sounding "kick" sound wherefore I use the low cutted mic sound. If you don't mix original mic inputs and DAW returns, and go only with the DAW sound, than you don't need to worry about latency for the FoH sound that much. But you need to take care about latency, when doing monitors (especially InEars) from the foh desk as well. Do not use DAW return signals as monitor sends because of the latency. Just saying.</p><p>Ok, if you take care, you can enjoy the enhanced mixing powers coming from your DAW! </p><p>It is almost like cheating<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I made a crappy video, how I set up my DAW (Presonus Studio One) for using plugins together with my X32. Watch on your own risk - bad English<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diqxzZKQhLo" target="_blank">X32 VSTpluginFINAL - YouTube</a></p><p></p><p>Anyway, maybe some of you are already using VST Plugs with the X32 and I'm very curious, how you manage this topic!?!</p><p><strong>Ideas, opinions, setup advices - keep them coming!</strong></p><p></p><p>Christian</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Christian Boche, post: 6255, member: 1698"] Dear X32 Heads, in the last couple of weeks, I was experimenting with my X32 setup. The reason why is, that in the last two years I worked a lot with SAC ( [URL="http://www.softwareaudioconsole.com"]SAC - Software Audio Console[/URL] ). SAC is a virtual live mixing board and it is capeable to host VST plugins, which I used a lot when mixing rock-shows. So I tried this on my X32 too and it works quite nice. I'm not sure, if this the best way to do this with the X32, but at least I found a way that works for my needs. So I thought I could share this with you and maybe someone has a better or smarter way to combine the X32 with VST plugins. Anyway, this is how I roll: I set the X32 to firewire and use the 16in/16out setting for that. Than I hook up my MacBookPro (2011 version) grab the signals, that I want to enhance with VST Plugins and route them back to the Aux ins 1-4 on the X32. Therefore I choose in the "routing" section "card in" as inputs for the Aux ins 1-4. So, mostly I used: Aux in1: Drumagog for the Bass Drum Aux in2: distorted Bass with an Ampsimulator Aux in3: Recabinet (an impluse response loader) fed with the Lineout Signal of the GTR amp from stage Aux in4: Mostly some FX going for the lead vocals I almost never use this signals exclusively, there are often mixed with the original signals (using two inputs on the desk). So here is the first pitfall. Using VST Plugins gives me pretty exact 9ms overall latency on these signals (running with 64Samples buffer size). To mix these signals (original & DAW), you have to delay the original signal to avoid comb filtering. For example: My input 1 on the X32 is the original Kick drum mic, input 2 would be the drumagog kick drum, comming from my DAW. To avoid flamming/comb filtering - I use the channel delay on Input 1 and set it to 9ms. This works quite good. Especially because I use a hi cut on the Drumagog signal and a low cut on the original kick. I want a stable low end (which comes from the Drumagog sound) but an organic sounding "kick" sound wherefore I use the low cutted mic sound. If you don't mix original mic inputs and DAW returns, and go only with the DAW sound, than you don't need to worry about latency for the FoH sound that much. But you need to take care about latency, when doing monitors (especially InEars) from the foh desk as well. Do not use DAW return signals as monitor sends because of the latency. Just saying. Ok, if you take care, you can enjoy the enhanced mixing powers coming from your DAW! It is almost like cheating:-) I made a crappy video, how I set up my DAW (Presonus Studio One) for using plugins together with my X32. Watch on your own risk - bad English:-) [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diqxzZKQhLo"]X32 VSTpluginFINAL - YouTube[/URL] Anyway, maybe some of you are already using VST Plugs with the X32 and I'm very curious, how you manage this topic!?! [B]Ideas, opinions, setup advices - keep them coming![/B] Christian [/QUOTE]
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