Insert snake ?

Re: Insert snake ?

That is cheap. Looks like strain relief is lacking. I paid $285 for Whirlwind 16ch. insert snakes back in '08. They're built like tanks as far as strain relief. They use Snake Skin® on the fan-outs and the cable is very high quality. The cheapy will probably be ok if you take it easy on the fan-outs. Otherwise spend some more and get something that can take some abuse.
 
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I sure can't tell from looking at a picture.

TRS inserts are unbalanced so there can be issues wrt exact wiring, especially when sending inserts 30' away.

My personal preference for insert looms is wiring the TS legs with 2 conductor shielded, tying all grounds and shields back to TRS sleeve.

Of course YMMV

JR
 
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Can I do this, I know its not balanced but the desk does not have balanced inserts anyways. Can I use one conductor of a mic wire and go to the tip, shield to sleave, take the other conductor and solder a 1 foot jumper, ( sheilded mic cable) to the next 1/4. Of coarse the sheild will be jumpered also.
On the hosa insert cables I use now the 2 insulated wires are individually shielded, doing what I want the two insulated conductors are together, sheilded by one.
Will this cause a issue of the send and return running side by side under 1 sheild, vs having the send and return individually sheilded.

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This is the cable I use

20 Channel Stage Studio Microphone Snake Cable per Foot | eBay
 
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Alan Sledzieski said:
Can I do this, I know its not balanced but the desk does not have balanced inserts anyways. Can I use one conductor of a mic wire and go to the tip, shield to sleave, take the other conductor and solder a 1 foot jumper, ( sheilded mic cable) to the next 1/4. Of coarse the sheild will be jumpered also.
On the hosa insert cables I use now the 2 insulated wires are individually shielded, doing what I want the two insulated conductors are together, sheilded by one.
Will this cause a issue of the send and return running side by side under 1 sheild, vs having the send and return individually sheilded.

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This is the cable I use

20 Channel Stage Studio Microphone Snake Cable per Foot | eBay
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I can't make a blanket speculation for how that would work with all products plugged up to the insert. You could try it and maybe get away with it. I can imagine a hypothetical rack unit with high output impedance and gain, that doesn't like it's output signal coupling back into it's input signal. The source impedance of insert send, length and capacitance between wires in the cable all influence this.

For a handful of inserts with high degree of certainty that it would work relatively trouble free dedicating two 3 conductor cables, one for send and one for return will completely eliminate chance of positive feedback and provide more robust grounding (allowing for separate ground and signal leads).

For a one off fixed install try the cheaper way and see if it works. For a must work every time I prefer the more conservative approach.

JR
 
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Ivan Beaver said:
I would make it as short as you can get away with (and have a little slack).

It is not a good idea to run unbalanced long distances.
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Agreed. The WW insert snakes I have are 15'. I haven't had any length or noise issues to date. 30' sounds potentially sketchy.
 
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Greg Cameron said:
That is cheap. Looks like strain relief is lacking. I paid $285 for Whirlwind 16ch. insert snakes back in '08. They're built like tanks as far as strain relief. They use Snake Skin® on the fan-outs and the cable is very high quality. The cheapy will probably be ok if you take it easy on the fan-outs. Otherwise spend some more and get something that can take some abuse.
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The Neutrik plugs on the cheap loom have internal strain relief don't they?
 
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Alan Sledzieski said:
Can I do this, I know its not balanced but the desk does not have balanced inserts anyways. Can I use one conductor of a mic wire and go to the tip, shield to sleave, take the other conductor and solder a 1 foot jumper, ( sheilded mic cable) to the next 1/4. Of coarse the sheild will be jumpered also.
On the hosa insert cables I use now the 2 insulated wires are individually shielded, doing what I want the two insulated conductors are together, sheilded by one.
Will this cause a issue of the send and return running side by side under 1 sheild, vs having the send and return individually sheilded.

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This is the cable I use

20 Channel Stage Studio Microphone Snake Cable per Foot | eBay
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In one rig I did this (sort of - see TP Audio Lazy Man's Insert Cable) at 16' and had no troubles. On another I did it at 25' and had oscillation due to input/output coupling within the "main" connector.
 
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Max Warasila said:
You're assuming that they are Neutrik. They are not. But the fifth image on the ebay product page shows you the internals of the connectors, and I agree with the previous posters- needs better strain relief.
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The Features sections states, "High quality Ningbo Neutrik connectors". So unless they're guilty of false advertising, those should be real Neutriks. It looks like in the 5th image there maybe be the Neutrik logo on the connector body, but it's on top barely visible.
 
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Greg Cameron said:
The Features sections states, "High quality Ningbo Neutrik connectors". So unless they're guilty of false advertising, those should be real Neutriks. It looks like in the 5th image there maybe be the Neutrik logo on the connector body, but it's on top barely visible.
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Regardless of the source, they appear to have the same sort of internal collet strain relief as Neutrik XLR connectors and Speakons.
 
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Greg Cameron said:
The Features sections states, "High quality Ningbo Neutrik connectors". So unless they're guilty of false advertising, those should be real Neutriks. It looks like in the 5th image there maybe be the Neutrik logo on the connector body, but it's on top barely visible.
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JR
 
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