IPR2 7500 noise floor question for users

Re: IPR2 7500 noise floor question for users

Along with high power comes higher gain and elevated noise floors. 100 dB seems like a usable dynamic range.

JR

PS: and why am I doing customer service? :-(
And something else that people often "overlook", is that with high output systems and the same dynamic range, the "noise" HAS to be louder.

Let's say that your system is capable of 150dB and has a "system SN ratio" of 80dB. Then the noise would be 70 dB.

But if your system is only capable of 130dB and has the same SN ratio, then the noise would be 50dB.

Yes one has more noise-but is also capable of getting much louder.
 
Re: IPR2 7500 noise floor question for users

Just so you all know, Mr. Lutz has reached the following conclusion on about a half dozen sound forums and posted the following somewhat dubious post verbatim:

Final conclusion: the IPR2 7500s have an audible oscillating hum in channel A output of ~.7mV. Peavey says it is normal and within spec. The spec is A weighted and the noise is around 60Hz so.........

It also appears to be some type interference from the cooling fans.

I can understand this passing in club rock world - but for installs or home theatre ??????? or quiet stages with decent monitors????
I have a handful of similar range amps both from Peavey and other brands - none have anything close to this amount of noise.

Strange to me that no one much cares....my hearing isn't all that great and the hum still bugs me.

Hard to know how many units are out there and in what use.....but there you have it, a budget amp with a bit of hum.
 
Re: IPR2 7500 noise floor question for users

What is dubious? Get a hold of a 7500 and measure it/listen to it and tell me what you find. I would love to know that the problem is only my 2 amps. That would imply that they can be fixed - contrary to what I have been told. As has been pointed out here, the amp is in spec. Great. If that amount of hum is ok for you, great. It bugs me and I will seek other solutions.

AIRC, I posted questions on Peavy forum, Harmony forum, Speakerplans, and here. No need to exaggerate the number of forums and what difference does that make. Different forums have different experts, different perspectives, and different groups of users of product. I started out seeking information on what is normal for these amps.

I should have saved myself the headache and just assumed that the 7500 was a budget amp with a little hum and left it at that. Considering my IPR3000 is virtually silent after being serviced I gave the benefit of the doubt and hoped for a fix and ran in to some frustrating customer service issues to boot.
 
Re: IPR2 7500 noise floor question for users

What is dubious? Get a hold of a 7500 and measure it/listen to it and tell me what you find. I would love to know that the problem is only my 2 amps. That would imply that they can be fixed - contrary to what I have been told. As has been pointed out here, the amp is in spec. Great. If that amount of hum is ok for you, great. It bugs me and I will seek other solutions.
If they could easily be fixed by customer service they surely would have. I suspect it requires another cut of PCB design (or maybe two) if the first cut is not silent. Since the amp meets spec (while the "A" weighting may be used to meet spec), there will not be any support from the sharp pencil guys to fix something that does not appear to be broken..
AIRC, I posted questions on Peavy forum, Harmony forum, Speakerplans, and here. No need to exaggerate the number of forums and what difference does that make. Different forums have different experts, different perspectives, and different groups of users of product. I started out seeking information on what is normal for these amps.
The Peav"E"y forum should be adequate to get good information. Banging several forums to become a squeaky wheel will increase pressure on Peavey to accommodate you somehow, but and it's a huge BUT, the cost and disruption to make a running change to a product in production for what is arguably a cosmetic complaint (meets published spec for target application) is significant. First a design engineer must admit making a mistake (not catching the hum pre-release), then second his boss (the engineering manager) must approve the time, and expense, and probably lost sales from shutting down and restarting production. With supply chains extending half way around the world this is not trivial.
I should have saved myself the headache and just assumed that the 7500 was a budget amp with a little hum and left it at that. Considering my IPR3000 is virtually silent after being serviced I gave the benefit of the doubt and hoped for a fix and ran in to some frustrating customer service issues to boot.
In fact it is a budget amp apparently with a little hum...

Maybe if Peavey has some other justification to re-engineer that product, they will revisit the PCB layout for hum at the same time since the cost and disruption is already accounted for. I would not hold my breath for this to happen spontaneously if most customers are satisfied enough with the performance to keep buying them.

I have been outside the walls for 15 years or so, but even back then making engineering changes without really good justification was bad corporate politics. I once had to sign a engineering change to use a better crossover capacitor (maybe $0.10-0.20 increase) because the engineering director for transducers refused to sign his name to a cost increase. :-(

Good luck, but I suspect many are weary of hearing this by now, especially if you cross post on multiple forums.

JR

PS: I might be able to fix it , but I am not inclined, and it would be way cheaper for you to buy a different amp even if I were.
 
Re: IPR2 7500 noise floor question for users

If they could easily be fixed by customer service they surely would have. I suspect it requires another cut of PCB design (or maybe two) if the first cut is not silent. Since the amp meets spec (while the "A" weighting may be used to meet spec), there will not be any support from the sharp pencil guys to fix something that does not appear to be broken..

The Peav"E"y forum should be adequate to get good information. Banging several forums to become a squeaky wheel will increase pressure on Peavey to accommodate you somehow, but and it's a huge BUT, the cost and disruption to make a running change to a product in production for what is arguably a cosmetic complaint (meets published spec for target application) is significant. First a design engineer must admit making a mistake (not catching the hum pre-release), then second his boss (the engineering manager) must approve the time, and expense, and probably lost sales from shutting down and restarting production. With supply chains extending half way around the world this is not trivial.

In fact it is a budget amp apparently with a little hum...

Maybe if Peavey has some other justification to re-engineer that product, they will revisit the PCB layout for hum at the same time since the cost and disruption is already accounted for. I would not hold my breath for this to happen spontaneously if most customers are satisfied enough with the performance to keep buying them.

I have been outside the walls for 15 years or so, but even back then making engineering changes without really good justification was bad corporate politics. I once had to sign a engineering change to use a better crossover capacitor (maybe $0.10-0.20 increase) because the engineering director for transducers refused to sign his name to a cost increase. :-(

Good luck, but I suspect many are weary of hearing this by now, especially if you cross post on multiple forums.

JR

PS: I might be able to fix it , but I am not inclined, and it would be way cheaper for you to buy a different amp even if I were.

A thoughtful response - as always. Part of my persistence on this "hum" problem was because my other IPR had a similar sounding but correctable hum. Go figure. Peavey fixed it and it works fine. I'm done. Amps are listed in marketplace.