Living History?

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I can't tell what exactly the folded horns are ... could be old Shearer horns. The straight horn cabinet is the old RCA MI-9462 "Ubangi". I remember Allen Sides had a pair of them in his bedroom as monitors.

I built one of those straight horns in the late Seventies. The PA shop for which I was an apprentice cabinet builder was commissioned to build a mate for one removed from the Ohio Theatre in Lima, Ohio. I don't remember why the customer wanted another of those monsters or where it ended up.

It's hard to see in the images, but the horn design had a radial flare that was composed of pie-shaped wedges of a dense cardboard-like sheet product. We made paper templates that tracked the flare across its axial points and used layers of 1/4" plywood over curved forms -- the same way we built copies of JBL 4560s and 4550s. I do remember the cross brace in front of the drivers; it was an odd dimension like a 2x3 or something like that. It stuck in my mind that it was not typical dimensional lumber.

I think we loaded it with JBL 2220s or maybe EV EVM 15Ls. I'm not sure what drivers were used, but it sounded pretty good to my young ears. It's hard to say why it had to be so goddamned big.

Coincidentally, the same guy I worked for had some of the RCA W-bins, too. It was the only way you could squeeze any thump out of the Crown DC300As and 100 watt EVM woofers he used back in 1978 - 1979. We used to recone drivers as often as most people change their socks.

And that's enough for now about the Olden Days.
 
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I built one of those straight horns in the late Seventies. The PA shop for which I was an apprentice cabinet builder was commissioned to build a mate for one removed from the Ohio Theatre in Lima, Ohio. I don't remember why the customer wanted another of those monsters or where it ended up.

It's hard to see in the images, but the horn design had a radial flare that was composed of pie-shaped wedges of a dense cardboard-like sheet product. We made paper templates that tracked the flare across its axial points and used layers of 1/4" plywood over curved forms -- the same way we built copies of JBL 4560s and 4550s. I do remember the cross brace in front of the drivers; it was an odd dimension like a 2x3 or something like that. It stuck in my mind that it was not typical dimensional lumber.

I think we loaded it with JBL 2220s or maybe EV EVM 15Ls. I'm not sure what drivers were used, but it sounded pretty good to my young ears. It's hard to say why it had to be so goddamned big.

Coincidentally, the same guy I worked for had some of the RCA W-bins, too. It was the only way you could squeeze any thump out of the Crown DC300As and 100 watt EVM woofers he used back in 1978 - 1979. We used to recone drivers as often as most people change their socks.

And that's enough for now about the Olden Days.
The reason it was so big is basic physics and pattern control. The large size extended the horn loading down lower-so it was louder down lower. A smaller horn would not have been as loud as low.

THe larger the horn the lower the pattern control went-meaning it was keeping the sound where it is supposed to be-towards the people and off of the ceiling and such.

When you start compromising size-you start compromising something else.

If you start to think in terms of wavelength size-rather than freq-it all starts to make sense.
 
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The reason it was so big is basic physics and pattern control. The large size extended the horn loading down lower-so it was louder down lower. A smaller horn would not have been as loud as low.

THe larger the horn the lower the pattern control went-meaning it was keeping the sound where it is supposed to be-towards the people and off of the ceiling and such.

When you start compromising size-you start compromising something else.

If you start to think in terms of wavelength size-rather than freq-it all starts to make sense.

I understand how that works, Ivan. I was referring to the overall size of the enclosure; the part that includes the bass reflex section. It is a big-ass 2 x 15" box.

Sorry I was unclear.
 
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Ah, a true Jazz Festival. There's the answer.

And it now appears that the "BOS" on the front of the bass cabinet is the last name of the sound provider Butch Bos.

Yes, it is a "trad jazz" festival so "killer" kick and skeleton punishing subs were not needed. It's also the kind of festival where the "SAC" computer keyboard and mouse mixer would have worked just fine, especially for someone who's mixed extensively on that mixer AND who's worked this same festival for decades.

This business is, after all, NOT just about arenas and young rock bands.
 
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And it now appears that the "BOS" on the front of the bass cabinet is the last name of the sound provider Butch Bos.

Yes, it is a "trad jazz" festival so "killer" kick and skeleton punishing subs were not needed. It's also the kind of festival where the "SAC" computer keyboard and mouse mixer would have worked just fine, especially for someone who's mixed extensively on that mixer AND who's worked this same festival for decades.

This business is, after all, NOT just about arenas and young rock bands.


Yes, this is Bruce Bos gear. I believe the Show was in the Indiana/Illinois area in the last week or two. As Lee posted, it was for a Jazz show that he's done for 40 years. RCA, VOT, and multicell horns with 3- 228 drivers. The amps were Altec #1569 and Stromberg-Carlson amps, both 100watt. Bruce says this rig will provide 100db at 600ft.... ???

In any case, I bet it CAN get loud.

Cheers,
Hammer
 
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Funny coincidence:
A member in a German pro audio forum posted this link in a different context.

http://www.sawstudiouser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14190

It seems that the provider has been supplying the gear for the last 40 years and according to him the system shown has been perfected over the past 30 years...

Thanks, that was the clue that we needed.

Here are some of his replies to different discussion topics. You can expand each of his replies by clicking on "replied" above each topic.
http://www.proaudiospace.com/profile/ButchBos?xg_source=activity
 
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Yes, this is Bruce Bos gear. I believe the Show was in the Indiana/Illinois area in the last week or two. As Lee posted, it was for a Jazz show that he's done for 40 years. RCA, VOT, and multicell horns with 3- 228 drivers. The amps were Altec #1569 and Stromberg-Carlson amps, both 100watt. Bruce says this rig will provide 100db at 600ft.... ???

In any case, I bet it CAN get loud.

Cheers,
Hammer
He also said there were some delays-so yes, it is very possible.

Sometimes it is better to "spread it out" rather than blast from the front.

Other times not. It depends.
 
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Funny coincidence:
A member in a German pro audio forum posted this link in a different context.

http://www.sawstudiouser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14190

It seems that the provider has been supplying the gear for the last 40 years and according to him the system shown has been perfected over the past 30 years...

Wow...I glanced right over this post... and it was the Chris Davis post that had me revist your post...
Thanks Marcus...

Cheers,
Hammer
 
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In went to a local electronics and speaker reconer to get something done for my bass amp. He mentioned that the guy that owns the PA from the Byron Pop Festival still had the whole rig and takes it out on a few shows each year. This thread has sparked my interest in older designs. I'm going to find out where and when, and go and try to hear history..