Musical theater cue management.

Kevin Maxwell

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Musical theater cue management.

I didn’t want to hijack a thread so I figured I would start another one.

I save a lot of what I write so this is a cut and paste from some of those writings.

I found a better way to do musical theater then rely on the built in scene and cue management functions in these mixers.

Since you do musical theater have you checked out Palladium by http://chsounddesign.com/

I wrote this about using Palladium with the X32 or M32 but the mixer files also exist for the LS9 along with a lot of other Yamaha and other consoles. And because the Yamaha consoles have a lot of Midi commands enabled you can do a lot with Palladium and Yamaha together.

I have gotten to the point that I refuse to do musicals without a digital mixer and programming the show to do cue recall.

I discovered this program last year, it uses mixer files specific to each mixer and since one didn’t exist at the time I configured the mixer file to work with the X32 and the M32. CH Sound Design has updated my mixer file to include some OSC capabilities and in a soon to be released update of Palladium there will be even more OSC capabilities. I also wrote a quick start guide for it. I need to update the guide now after using the M32 for a show, I discovered how to use the #3 and #6 mute group buttons to act as the “GO” and “BACK” buttons to recall the cues from Palladium. The physical location of these Buttons is very convenient to use as the “GO” and “BACK” buttons.

And a few of the strong points about Palladium is it isn’t a snapshot cue system it recalls changes. And there isn’t a separate store step, how you leave a cue is how it will be the next time you recall it. It makes for a very fast workflow. Also it handles 1000 cues.

There are also 2 other programs that work with Palladium. Moves and MicPlot. Moves is free and allows you to enter all of the information for the show. You then import that information into MicPlot and configure your wireless assignments and then import the results into Palladium and your show is written. If you use the method I am referring to you can get real close to being able to run the rehearsals with the cues as you need them for the show.

In the past I have had someone at the school write out a cue spreadsheet and we then enter the cues. This time I had them enter the information into moves after I did the initial setup and then I used MicPlot to import the cues into Palladium. It went very well. I then have the person who wrote the cues sitting next to me and calling them.

If you have the time download the demo and my files and give it a try. I was not paid to develop these things for Palladium I just was looking for a way to do what I do using the X32 or the M32 for musical and discovered Palladium. If you follow the quick start guide I wrote it should get you up to speed very quickly. I guess that’s why I called it a quick start guide.

It is a very powerful program and there is a learning curve but it depends on how complicated you want to make it as to how steep the learning curve is. . I think a lot of the things in the quick start guide I wrote for the X32/M32 are applicable to other mixers. I would write it also for some other specific mixers if I could get a hold of them.

And I am willing to help anyone I can get up to speed as quickly as possible using these programs.
 
Re: Musical theater cue management.

Kevin,

I finally got my first theatrical run on a digital console this week and I agree - there's no going back. I was using the LS9 without any external scene management, and it left something to be desired. Coming from experience with lighting consoles, I feel like the audio world is in need of some serious help in the automation side of things (though the LS9 is notorious for it's poor theatrical scene performance). The X32 system of snippets is actually quite good - akin to palettes or presets in lighting, which are very powerful. The only problem with it is that I don't like the rest of the X32 workflow. It sounds like Palladium could really help with this, but I'm not sure if it's what I'm looking for, since it requires an outside computer. I'm really looking for a completely internal scene engine that is suitable for theater - sadly I think it only exists above 20k priced consoles. Very sad, actually.

Of course, I've got a whole ton of other consoles to try out before I can thoroughly declare automation a lost cause. IIRC, I'll be around an SD8,9 or 10 in college, so I'm excited for that.

If I get some time I'll shoot you a message regarding some of this stuff. As for right now, I've got a 6am call for load in and then a matinee and load out with the LS9, so I'll be getting some sleep.
 
Re: Musical theater cue management.

Kevin,

I finally got my first theatrical run on a digital console this week and I agree - there's no going back. I was using the LS9 without any external scene management, and it left something to be desired. Coming from experience with lighting consoles, I feel like the audio world is in need of some serious help in the automation side of things (though the LS9 is notorious for it's poor theatrical scene performance). The X32 system of snippets is actually quite good - akin to palettes or presets in lighting, which are very powerful. The only problem with it is that I don't like the rest of the X32 workflow. It sounds like Palladium could really help with this, but I'm not sure if it's what I'm looking for, since it requires an outside computer. I'm really looking for a completely internal scene engine that is suitable for theater - sadly I think it only exists above 20k priced consoles. Very sad, actually.

Of course, I've got a whole ton of other consoles to try out before I can thoroughly declare automation a lost cause. IIRC, I'll be around an SD8,9 or 10 in college, so I'm excited for that.

If I get some time I'll shoot you a message regarding some of this stuff. As for right now, I've got a 6am call for load in and then a matinee and load out with the LS9, so I'll be getting some sleep.

You might like this show we did - 100 plus inputs, 100 + scenes, 2 x Allen Heath iLives, 8 channels of sound EFX and lighting all Midi controlled ... we built (Jamie M) a dedicated Midi controller for the show ... the little blue box on the end of the 144
 

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