New Danley sub

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Caleb Dueck

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Tom and Ivan were kind enough to feed my quest for the ultimate subwoofer. Flyable, folded horn rather than tapped, very high output and impact, output to below 30Hz, 22.5 x 45 x 60 inches. We are in Tulsa at a Christian worship leadership conference, with nightly concerts, with the first two subs off the line delivered here. A FP14000 provided the power. The room seats 4,500 or so, with a dozen Turbo 21's and dual 18's (total, not each).

Long story short, after tuning the system, we decided to fire up the subs for fun, with no intention of actually using them. Jaws hit the floor - and then turned them up full. We ended up using only that pair of DBH-218-LC's for the whole week. Needless to say, we were all very pleasantly surprised, and we're planning on installing 4 there before long. I figured 8 would be needed, flown mono cardioid, for Evan levels of bass with even coverage and impact.

If I can get to a larger room or better, outdoors, I'll try to post some Smaart traces.

Overall, if you're looking at max performance subs, these should be on your short list.
 
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Transient response, 'impact'. The primary benefit of tapped is that 'too small' horn mouths have the frequency response of a larger mouth. Since these new subs are designed to be used in groups, the mouth is large enough and doesn't need to be tapped. The impact of a folded horn is better in our experience than a tapped horn.

One change Ivan made was the ability for the horn mouth to be either the end, or on the short end of the side (like the TH-812). These can fit either under a stage with 22.5x45 showing, or in front of the stage with 45x60 showing.
 
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Pascal.Pincosy said:
Can someone with Danley Sound Labs please post some specs/more pics/etc? Especially in regards to the moveable horn mouth?
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It is so new we have not had a chance to get accurate specs yet. But here are a couple that we have/and or targets.

The -3dB is around 25-26Hz. Sensitivity is at least that of the DBH218. But quick listening tests suggest it may be a bit higher.

The movable exit allows for 2 very different configurations. In one mode (as shown in the earlier photos in this thread) the cabinet is 22.5" deep. This allows for close to the wall placement. In free space it also forms a large boundary-for greater directivity.

For example-if flown vertically with one on top of the other-and the exits at the top and bottom of the "array", then a "donut" shaped pattern would be happening in the below 100Hz region. This can be great for keeping energy off of the stage and the front rows. and directing the majority of the energy towards the furthest listener-for a more even coverage.

In the other position-it looks like the standard DBH218 http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/tapped_horn.asp?MODEL=DBH 218

In this position, the cabinet is 60" deep and 22.5" tall.

It ships with the panels and grills for both positions (unfortunatly they are not the same size). The removable castor board can be attached to either the front or the rear of the cabinet, for greater flexability in how it is moved and which position it is used in.

It has the same power spec as the DBH218 (3600 watt continuous-7200 watts peak) and has the same dual impedance operation switch. Either a single 2 ohm load or 2x4 ohm loads.
 
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Fernando Lopez said:
Do 2 TH-118s coupled produce the same low end, spl as the DBH-218?
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The SPL will be very similar.

The biggest difference-sonically- is that the DBH-218 has more "impact/punch etc" than a pair of TH118's. Assuming you are talking about the DBH218 and not the DBH218LC. The LC version walks all over a pair and probably 4 TH118s down low (say below 30Hz).

The Th118's are a bit more "rounded" in the sound-but are not without "punch" on their own.

Price wise the DBH218 is less money than a pair of TH118's but the TH118s are easier to move around and for one person to stack up by themselves.

If portability and size/weight were not an issue-then I would choose the 218-on sound quality alone. But if I have to move them around in "normal" situations (steps-curbs-van loading-single person setup etc) then I would choose the TH118-simply because it is so much easier to move around.

Each situation is different and often requires a specific set of "rules" that need to be looked at.
 
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Frederik Rosenkjær said:
I'm wondering about this - what difference does it make which end you have the opening? Is it so that you can choose to have the caster board on the front or the back? Or are there other differences?
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The option allows for a number of different configuration in usage-each of which has its own advantages and disadvantages.

With the castor board on the back and the "front" panel removed (the front is the side that is 22.5x45"), it allows for normal stacking of subs. So the sub would be 45" wide and 22.5" tall and 60" deep.

The 60" deep may present a problem for a lot of venues-such as dance clubs-places with not much room to put subs and so forth. So if you move the exit to the "side" where the "exit side" of the cabinet is now 60x45" a lot of opportunities open up.

For example the cabinet is now only 22.5" deep. You can put that up against a wall and not stick out very far.

You can put tow of them together in a line with the mouths together in the middle. This will give you a 120" wide 60" high boundary with a single exit in the middle.

This will give a good bit of boundary loading-so the SPL would be louder than if you just stacked the 2 cabinets.

OR you could flip the configuration when flying so you have a 120" tall x 45" wide sub with the exits on the ends. This will give you a "donut shape" polar pattern that would put more energy towards the people in the rear, so you have a more even SPL coverage (id not killing the people in front). The large size of the boundary will offer some rejection towards the rear.

Or you can do a modified version of the exit in the middle 120" wide and make a V out of it. The mouths would be at the point of the V.

This does a couple of things-especially if you put a "top" on the V (ie opposite the floor), you will extend the low freq response (due to a now longer horn path), gain SPL (due to a narrowing of the "pattern" 90°vs180°).

If you went to 4 cabinets in the V (2 stacks of 2), you would have a very serious output configuration.

It is not a matter of which one is better-but which one is better for a particular situation. We just thought we would give several options in the same cabinet to offer more flexability.

This is also like our TH212, which offers the same sort of different configurations-and our DT20 and the DTS10. So it is nothing new in the idea-but due to the physical size of this cabinet-the additional boundaries offer a lot-if needed.

Just like the "barn doors" that people used to put on subs decades ago for more level and directivity. The ancients keep stealing our inventions.
 
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Ivan Beaver said:
The option allows for a number of different configuration in usage-each of which has its own advantages and disadvantages.

With the castor board on the back and the "front" panel removed (the front is the side that is 22.5x45"), it allows for normal stacking of subs. So the sub would be 45" wide and 22.5" tall and 60" deep.

The 60" deep may present a problem for a lot of venues-such as dance clubs-places with not much room to put subs and so forth. So if you move the exit to the "side" where the "exit side" of the cabinet is now 60x45" a lot of opportunities open up.

For example the cabinet is now only 22.5" deep. You can put that up against a wall and not stick out very far.

You can put tow of them together in a line with the mouths together in the middle. This will give you a 120" wide 60" high boundary with a single exit in the middle.

This will give a good bit of boundary loading-so the SPL would be louder than if you just stacked the 2 cabinets.

OR you could flip the configuration when flying so you have a 120" tall x 45" wide sub with the exits on the ends. This will give you a "donut shape" polar pattern that would put more energy towards the people in the rear, so you have a more even SPL coverage (id not killing the people in front). The large size of the boundary will offer some rejection towards the rear.

Or you can do a modified version of the exit in the middle 120" wide and make a V out of it. The mouths would be at the point of the V.

This does a couple of things-especially if you put a "top" on the V (ie opposite the floor), you will extend the low freq response (due to a now longer horn path), gain SPL (due to a narrowing of the "pattern" 90°vs180°).

If you went to 4 cabinets in the V (2 stacks of 2), you would have a very serious output configuration.

It is not a matter of which one is better-but which one is better for a particular situation. We just thought we would give several options in the same cabinet to offer more flexability.

This is also like our TH212, which offers the same sort of different configurations-and our DT20 and the DTS10. So it is nothing new in the idea-but due to the physical size of this cabinet-the additional boundaries offer a lot-if needed.

Just like the "barn doors" that people used to put on subs decades ago for more level and directivity. The ancients keep stealing our inventions.
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Ok - I just got the impression from Caleb's post that there were three possible port openings: On the large side (Darth Vader sub) or on either end - which also had me kind of baffled as to what the insides of the sub looked like. And what the point would be hence the question.

I have 2 TH212 and plan on getting 2 more soon.
 
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