presonus still alive?
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Speaking of their mixers. Since their new speakers and mixers are based on a linux distro I'm trying to get hold of all the related GPL'ed parts for their firmware. So far this has failed:
Also worth mentioning is that I can't find anything in their documents about using GPL'ed stuff (e.g. Linux) even though they are required to do so...
They've just moved their HQ and the rumour is that they are building a digital stagebox for their AI-series. They are also probably busy implementing some left-out functionality on their mixers.
Speaking of their mixers. Since their new speakers and mixers are based on a linux distro I'm trying to get hold of all the related GPL'ed parts for their firmware. So far this has failed:
Also worth mentioning is that I can't find anything in their documents about using GPL'ed stuff (e.g. Linux) even though they are required to do so...
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SL AI line is in the stores, FW800 and interchangeable cards are the major thing, plus more effects. Still no motorized faders. May be adding digital snake in the future (a-la Soundcraft Si), mean stagebox that comes with the card for mixer.
SL AI line is in the stores, FW800 and interchangeable cards are the major thing, plus more effects. Still no motorized faders. May be adding digital snake in the future (a-la Soundcraft Si), mean stagebox that comes with the card for mixer.
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The Presonus rep stopped by our shop a couple weeks ago but I was gone. He showed our boss some speakers and some interface products, but we didn't place an order.
The Presonus rep stopped by our shop a couple weeks ago but I was gone. He showed our boss some speakers and some interface products, but we didn't place an order.
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Are you kidding? They are all over the place. They do more corporate to end user videos and streaming than any other manufacturer out there.
They have the new AI line of speakers and mixers. The speakers and mixers should be completely interfacing by Q2, so Q3 more than likely. Their consoles and software are one the best well-rounded packages for those recording and playing live with the same mixer. Studio One is a great DAW. PreSonus freely issues updates.
I think as far as communication and accessibility is concerned, they are one of the better manufacturers.
Are you kidding? They are all over the place. They do more corporate to end user videos and streaming than any other manufacturer out there.
They have the new AI line of speakers and mixers. The speakers and mixers should be completely interfacing by Q2, so Q3 more than likely. Their consoles and software are one the best well-rounded packages for those recording and playing live with the same mixer. Studio One is a great DAW. PreSonus freely issues updates.
I think as far as communication and accessibility is concerned, they are one of the better manufacturers.
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There will not be motorized faders for the StudioLive AI series. There will never be DAW control of the StudioLive AI.
There will not be motorized faders for the StudioLive AI series. There will never be DAW control of the StudioLive AI.
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Did your boss not like the new speakers or is it a matter of just not needing another speaker line?
Did your boss not like the new speakers or is it a matter of just not needing another speaker line?
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They are one of the most prolific digital mixers out there today; however, the shine is wearing off the penny now that there are several better offerings in the market. They took a beating on the last round of digital mixer releases IMHO.
They are one of the most prolific digital mixers out there today; however, the shine is wearing off the penny now that there are several better offerings in the market. They took a beating on the last round of digital mixer releases IMHO.
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We're heavily invested in other brands that better fit our current and projected needs. I'm always interested in what the pedlars bring through our door, though, and would have liked to hear the speakers even if they don't work with our current plans - things change and shit happens.
We're heavily invested in other brands that better fit our current and projected needs. I'm always interested in what the pedlars bring through our door, though, and would have liked to hear the speakers even if they don't work with our current plans - things change and shit happens.
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Wondering why? There are not that expensive and would be nicer to recall a scene than "locate" function as now. M7CL is a also a single-layer desk, but it has motorized faders.
DAW control isn't a big deal, there's plenty of dedicated DAW controllers out there. Digital CAT5 snake will be more important.
Wondering why? There are not that expensive and would be nicer to recall a scene than "locate" function as now. M7CL is a also a single-layer desk, but it has motorized faders.
DAW control isn't a big deal, there's plenty of dedicated DAW controllers out there. Digital CAT5 snake will be more important.
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The StudioLive isn't really a full digital mixer as others: no free routing, DCA's, etc. Quasi-digital, as somebody called it. For me 24.4.2 was a dream analog mixer: same layout but with full dynamics section on each channel, and everything is built-in, something we wanted in old analog boards! Beauty of SL is in their simplicity and ease of use, they have their own market segment. If they will drop price a bit SL will sell like hot cakes. For now they are no match to X32.
The StudioLive isn't really a full digital mixer as others: no free routing, DCA's, etc. Quasi-digital, as somebody called it. For me 24.4.2 was a dream analog mixer: same layout but with full dynamics section on each channel, and everything is built-in, something we wanted in old analog boards! Beauty of SL is in their simplicity and ease of use, they have their own market segment. If they will drop price a bit SL will sell like hot cakes. For now they are no match to X32.
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They won't add them because they ARE in fact relatively expensive. Further, don't even begin to compare the M7 to the StudioLive line. Totally different mixers, end users, applications, and design. Not to mention, the lack of snake can be a bonus in their particular application because of the amount of installed systems they are usually part of. Everything is right on the console rather than in some external rack.
They won't add them because they ARE in fact relatively expensive. Further, don't even begin to compare the M7 to the StudioLive line. Totally different mixers, end users, applications, and design. Not to mention, the lack of snake can be a bonus in their particular application because of the amount of installed systems they are usually part of. Everything is right on the console rather than in some external rack.
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What? You are WAY off. There is nothing analog about it, aside from the preamps. Where do you get this stuff? It does not have to have motorized faders and what no to be "digital".
What? You are WAY off. There is nothing analog about it, aside from the preamps. Where do you get this stuff? It does not have to have motorized faders and what no to be "digital".
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Arik,
No, I don't wonder why there are no moving faders, because I have been told why. They ARE that expensive. Had Behringer not developed their own faders, the Behringer and Starin reps told us they wold not have been able to get the X32 at that price point. You can have moving faders and you can have GOOD moving faders.
You do not understand this, but in manufacturing, $259 in motorized faders will look like $2590 additional add to the final cost of the product. You must consider everything associated with the fader to make it function as well. Then they are going to have to stock more expensive parts, etc, etc.
We sell PreSonus, along with Roland, Allen&Heath, Soundcraft, Behringer, Midas, Avid, Peavey, etc, etc. The StudioLive has it's place, and services people well. Justin told me at a worship conference once that 70% of the StudioLives went into churches. The churches buying them are not missing some of the things people here ask for.
Arik,
No, I don't wonder why there are no moving faders, because I have been told why. They ARE that expensive. Had Behringer not developed their own faders, the Behringer and Starin reps told us they wold not have been able to get the X32 at that price point. You can have moving faders and you can have GOOD moving faders.
You do not understand this, but in manufacturing, $259 in motorized faders will look like $2590 additional add to the final cost of the product. You must consider everything associated with the fader to make it function as well. Then they are going to have to stock more expensive parts, etc, etc.
We sell PreSonus, along with Roland, Allen&Heath, Soundcraft, Behringer, Midas, Avid, Peavey, etc, etc. The StudioLive has it's place, and services people well. Justin told me at a worship conference once that 70% of the StudioLives went into churches. The churches buying them are not missing some of the things people here ask for.
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How "good" are the moving faders on the Yamaha 01V, released sixteen years ago, regarded as, then? I got mine used in 2004, and when a fader died a couple of years later, IIRC it cost me about $100. The console is still going strong, otherwise, although I haven't used it much since I got an X32. Honestly, the ones on my X32 don't feel THAT much better. I certainly expected them to be quieter. A friend has a Roland M200i and I'd say the same about that (those are quieter, but slower).
PS. I used to work for AMS/Neve, who make the high-end digital consoles used for film mixing etc. and they (the AMS Logic models, anyway) had custom linear-motor faders which cost 500 pounds (probably $1000 dollars) each. Now THEY were nice. Silent and finger-breakingly-fast. But how nice do they really need to be?
How "good" are the moving faders on the Yamaha 01V, released sixteen years ago, regarded as, then? I got mine used in 2004, and when a fader died a couple of years later, IIRC it cost me about $100. The console is still going strong, otherwise, although I haven't used it much since I got an X32. Honestly, the ones on my X32 don't feel THAT much better. I certainly expected them to be quieter. A friend has a Roland M200i and I'd say the same about that (those are quieter, but slower).
PS. I used to work for AMS/Neve, who make the high-end digital consoles used for film mixing etc. and they (the AMS Logic models, anyway) had custom linear-motor faders which cost 500 pounds (probably $1000 dollars) each. Now THEY were nice. Silent and finger-breakingly-fast. But how nice do they really need to be?
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If people would take a look at all of these budget consoles and then look at a real console's parts, they would realize how great the engineering and creativity has to take place to make something that moves so much, work and hold up over time.
A rep friend of mine had customers make the mistake of leaving a couple of wireless Sennheiser handheld transmitters next to their faders on their X32. Someone changed the layers without moving the mics and the faders were not the same. If they had been on a high end console, the transmitters probably would have been ok, moving the transmitters out of the way. That is not a slam on Behringer. The Roland's probably would have been jacked too. People have to understand what they are getting for the little they are spending and use common sense.
If people would take a look at all of these budget consoles and then look at a real console's parts, they would realize how great the engineering and creativity has to take place to make something that moves so much, work and hold up over time.
A rep friend of mine had customers make the mistake of leaving a couple of wireless Sennheiser handheld transmitters next to their faders on their X32. Someone changed the layers without moving the mics and the faders were not the same. If they had been on a high end console, the transmitters probably would have been ok, moving the transmitters out of the way. That is not a slam on Behringer. The Roland's probably would have been jacked too. People have to understand what they are getting for the little they are spending and use common sense.
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+1 I think some people are misinterpreting Brent's replies as an attack on these budget consoles. The reality is that we cannot expect an X32 to have similar hardware to an SC48, it's not a knock on the X32 so much as it's reality.
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+1 I think some people are misinterpreting Brent's replies as an attack on these budget consoles. The reality is that we cannot expect an X32 to have similar hardware to an SC48, it's not a knock on the X32 so much as it's reality.
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Exactly.
I don't set out on purpose to crap on anyone or anything. Everyone and everything has a place. It is all about matching the solution to the job for the budget allowed.
Exactly.
I don't set out on purpose to crap on anyone or anything. Everyone and everything has a place. It is all about matching the solution to the job for the budget allowed.
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Lol!! I am mixing a church service right now on a SL24 fillng forum for a friend and I am missing it pretty good!!
No VCA's and mute groups for sure.
Lol!! I am mixing a church service right now on a SL24 fillng forum for a friend and I am missing it pretty good!!
No VCA's and mute groups for sure.
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I'm just glad that these so much variety and choice these days. I've been mixing remotely via iPad for just about 3 years now. Today again, there is so much choice but for me, I still don't feel the need to upgrade yet. For my niche market, it's a perfect fit and had pretty much paid for itself 10 times over. That's a a pretty good ROI if you ask me.
It will be interesting to see how the whole system works together. Speakers, mixer, stage box maybe? I'm not looking to upgrade my speakers quite yet so I'll be able to see how the system as a whole progresses.
I'm just glad that these so much variety and choice these days. I've been mixing remotely via iPad for just about 3 years now. Today again, there is so much choice but for me, I still don't feel the need to upgrade yet. For my niche market, it's a perfect fit and had pretty much paid for itself 10 times over. That's a a pretty good ROI if you ask me.
It will be interesting to see how the whole system works together. Speakers, mixer, stage box maybe? I'm not looking to upgrade my speakers quite yet so I'll be able to see how the system as a whole progresses.