QSC K12 and KSub

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Silas Pradetto said:
...I wish every powered speaker was set up like the ADR stuff - XLR in and through, Powercon in and through, no knobs or anything else, not even a power switch.
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Sounds great! It would shave some cost off the cheap tier products as well and make them a bit more idiot proof.

The higher tier could have RJ45 for signal transport, monitoring, and remote limited DSP control (array control, not driver correction control).
 
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Phil Graham said:
This is a problem, I think, for essentially all small powered speakers. If one of the companies made a control-less model that had the option of buying a plug-in minimixer and/or RF module, that could be an interesting distinguishing element. Pass on the decreased BOM to customers who don't want to pay for the extra knobs and dials.

The converse might be a product that sells more poorly in the prosumer space, which is where I suspect the majority of sales come from. No speaker maker is going to sacrifice thousands of unit sales to bands, little churches, DJ, political orgs, etc. for the sake of the comparatively small pro market.
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Excellent post!!!

Excellent thread!

I decided on the K Series as a bass guitar rig. K12 and KSub. A little unconventional, but not much really.

I customized my Fender Jazz with hum cancelling pickups and a really nice onboard preamp. I LOVE the way the bass sounds into a board - recorded and monitored.

when i started looking at live amplification, all the bass guitar amps (head/cab, combos...) colored the sound too much. plus for decent power levels i had to spend a fortune
and live with a one trick pony.

weighing all factors, it made sense for me to go with a PA setup.

EV, RCF, JBL, MIC, KEY... jesus.

i went with QSC K series for features, tone, power and price. AND they are local to me.

with all the opinions on the web - QSC was either best in class or "if you buy QSC your offspring will sprout horns!" (something i shared with a QSC tech.)

something Phil mentioned in the quoted thread... THIS IS PROSUMER PRODUCT. i am a PROSUMER.

design/engineer by day, funk/fusion bassist after hours. it's a friggin' hobby. a passionate one, but still.

for me the QSC KSeries is perfect. I won't be using it as a PA. small clubs and events. The K12 solo is great for coffee shops and the like.

i love it. i get compliments on my tone and the drummer can hear me.

what more?

oh, when people ask about how i get my tone... they ask about my bass, not my amplification. i think that speaks volumes.
 
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Frederic, unconventional yes but not unheard of. I know one bass player who carries around a pair of K10s to small gigs. I recently saw Tommy Igoe's Groove Conspiracy (big band with a bunch of killer modern players) and Duane Pate was using a K12.

However, if you wanted a rig that wasn't an Eden/SWR scooped one trick pony, I'd recommend looking into Accugroove cabinets. More hi-fi and neutral and lets you come up with the tone yourself. An El Wappo (silly name I know) would keep up with your QSC rig and be much easier to transport. One of their smaller cabs would work just fine for your small gigs and running both is arena territory.

I have a pair of K10s and they have been workhorses. But I recently got a pair of Yamaha DSR112s. The dispersion on the horn is much more even than the QSCs.
 
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for the response.

Ahhh yes, Accugroove and The El Whappo GRANDE! good stuff.

that would be THE only other way i would go. i did the QSC PLX2402/Aguilar Pre/Bergantino Cab thing for a while. that too was a MONSTER to haul.

since you mentioned it, i looked around. the AGEWG's seem tough to find.

excellent (probably the best) response to my current direction.

if i DO go back to traditional bass amplification, at least i will have a fairly decent PA in place when needed.

and yes, the DSR112's look really nice. THANKS FOR MUDDYING UP MY PEA BRAIN! :)

hmmm... 30 day GC... i will report back - damn you! (seriously, thank you).
 
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Note that the DSR doesn't have a bunch of inputs and mix functions. Seems to be designed for more pro than coffee shop use. It would be nice if it had the K type adjustable pole socket. The lower level DXRs are variable and the DSR is kind of a top tier SOS box where this would be really useful.

I do like the idea of input modules but that would get confusing at Banjo Hut. More stuff to stock and try to explain. Basic consumers would feel like they were paying extra for features (that they probably won't use) that are on the competition.
 
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Steve,

i didn't need the connectivity of the K series. Nice though.

just picked up the DSR115. at first shot, the power and clarity are pretty stunning.

have to get into rehearsal to open her up!

fred
 
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frederic hodshon said:
Steve,

i didn't need the connectivity of the K series. Nice though.

just picked up the DSR115. at first shot, the power and clarity are pretty stunning.

have to get into rehearsal to open her up!

fred
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They are SILLY powerful for a 15" powered box. I auditioned them while testing out 12" tops. I had to keep reminding myself that I was looking for a smaller and lighter rig .... even though those DSR115's stood out so strong ..... especially in the LF.

I did think the HF was a bit over the top and needed a bit of taming.

Let us know how it works out for you. I had no desire to put those beasts up on poles .... in fact, the DSR112's are about as much as I would want to do with a single person lift ... especially at the end of the night.

I am sure you are going to be surprised at how loud they will get before the limit lights start to tickle.
 
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"SILLY powerful"

love that!

couple of full bore sessions with the DSR-115.

pretty mind-blowing how i can now get good levels and retain the tone of my bass.

don't get me wrong, i can clip this thing with my basses - but things are shaking pretty hard when i do.

to recap, i have modded my main basses with hum-cancelling pickups and a 9-volt on-board preamp in each (fretted and fretless 4 string jazz).

in my home studio i am using a scarlett 18i8 with 2 jbl lsr305's and an lsr310 sub. great semi-pro setup.
this is what got me on the trail of a good powered PA to get an accurate amplification of my tone.

this is it! no sub needed (right now). will get a second for stereo apps.


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thanks for the great thread. helped me solve a long standing problem!
 
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